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PostPosted: 11:36 - 22 Nov 2015    Post subject: Questions on new battery for CB600 FA7 - Motobatt good? Reply with quote
Hi lads,

So through not using the bike much through winter (Last winter..) and buying an optimiser slightly too late, my Yuasa battery only charges to 12.6 volts now. So basically poop. Can't get it to start the bike.

Will just buy a new one ready for Spring and so I can start it up to keep the fluids moving over winter!

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Now which one should I go for? OEM 'Yuasa' ?

Or Motobatt ? I notice the battery reference is the same as the Yuasa battery other than 'MB' in the front..

https://www.wemoto.com/bikes/honda/cb_600_fa7_fa8_hornet/07-08/picture/battery_motobatt_sealed_high_torque/


As far as I can work out it's just straight in and connect with the Motobatt. Can I still trickle charge this battery though with my optimiser?

Cheers for any advice!! Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 15:56 - 22 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
I just fitted a mottobat to my K1300.
Works a treat.
Fitted last month. Was purchased in Julaugust and sat in the garage 100% neglecteded.

Hooked up, punched the start button and the beast burst into life like a new thing.

There are some 'bad' reviews but I think they are simply 'bad reviews'. One must take some reviews with a large hand full of salt.

People need to start doing more good reviews and not just 'complaints'. Smile
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PostPosted: 16:20 - 22 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm happy with the Motobatt on my KMX, though it's not much of a test of a battery a small trailbike.

As for the fluids thing, then if you want to look after your bike over winter and definitely wont be riding it, you should drain the fuel tank, spray in some corrosion prevention oil, and cover up the airbox inlet and exhaust with bungs or rubber bags etc. Id take the battery off and keep it in the house too. Don't fall for the regular start ups being good for the bike theory, unless its a 2stroke and your going to leave it for months unused.
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PostPosted: 19:16 - 22 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thanks MCN Thumbs Up

stevo as b4 wrote:
I'm happy with the Motobatt on my KMX, though it's not much of a test of a battery a small trailbike.

As for the fluids thing, then if you want to look after your bike over winter and definitely wont be riding it, you should drain the fuel tank, spray in some corrosion prevention oil, and cover up the airbox inlet and exhaust with bungs or rubber bags etc. Id take the battery off and keep it in the house too. Don't fall for the regular start ups being good for the bike theory, unless its a 2stroke and your going to leave it for months unused.


Interesting stevo. In honesty I'm probably not going to use it till at least Feb/March time now. Should I be draining the tank?

I thought firing it up every couple of weeks / 3 weeks was good to keep the oil moving about a bit.

Silly question but what's the advantage of covering the exhaust and airbox?

Would it be silly to buy a new battery now and not use it for a few months? Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 19:30 - 22 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
bikertomm wrote:
Thanks MCN Thumbs Up

stevo as b4 wrote:
I'm happy with the Motobatt on my KMX, though it's not much of a test of a battery a small trailbike.

As for the fluids thing, then if you want to look after your bike over winter and definitely wont be riding it, you should drain the fuel tank, spray in some corrosion prevention oil, and cover up the airbox inlet and exhaust with bungs or rubber bags etc. Id take the battery off and keep it in the house too. Don't fall for the regular start ups being good for the bike theory, unless its a 2stroke and your going to leave it for months unused.


Interesting stevo. In honesty I'm probably not going to use it till at least Feb/March time now. Should I be draining the tank?

I thought firing it up every couple of weeks / 3 weeks was good to keep the oil moving about a bit.

Silly question but what's the advantage of covering the exhaust and airbox?

Would it be silly to buy a new battery now and not use it for a few months? Mr. Green


If you have power to wher ethe bike is 'stored' buy a battery maintenancererer. (ctek are very good.) Hook that up to the battery and let it take care of it for you.
You don't need to drain the fuel tank. Just brimm it with petrol.

The inlet and exhaust is blocked to prevent moisture laden air getting to the internals of the engine. there will always be a valve open on a multi-cyclinder engine (almost). and air will get to it.
You can also stop things crawling it too.
Tape up the air inlet and the zorst pipe outlet should be fine.

Also put tons of air in the tyres to keep them from 'setting' in a shape when the bike is resting on them. 60psi. Or use a centre/paddock/ two axle stand/s.

Starting the bike and running it for a wee bit can exacerbate the moisture issue. Fuel is a hydrocarbon. During combustion you split the hydrocarbon molecules into water and hydrogen components. The hydrogen burns off as energy but the some of it combines with oxygen and makes H2O water. This is normally fired out the exhaust and as the engine heats up any condensation from this burns off and goes out too. The 'smoke' you see on starting a cold engine. It is water vapour from combustion you made. As the exhaust gets hotter the vapour turns to steam. (Invisible Gas).

The vapour you don;t burn off will be trapped in the engine if you don't get it hot. i.e. hot enough to open the thermostat.
But in doing this you will waste a lot of fuel and un-burned fuel is bad for the engine too.

Just don't do it. Smile
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PostPosted: 09:55 - 23 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
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bikertomm wrote:
Thanks MCN Thumbs Up

If you have power to wher ethe bike is 'stored' buy a battery maintenancererer. (ctek are very good.) Hook that up to the battery and let it take care of it for you.
You don't need to drain the fuel tank. Just brimm it with petrol.

The inlet and exhaust is blocked to prevent moisture laden air getting to the internals of the engine. there will always be a valve open on a multi-cyclinder engine (almost). and air will get to it.
You can also stop things crawling it too.
Tape up the air inlet and the zorst pipe outlet should be fine.

Also put tons of air in the tyres to keep them from 'setting' in a shape when the bike is resting on them. 60psi. Or use a centre/paddock/ two axle stand/s.

Starting the bike and running it for a wee bit can exacerbate the moisture issue. Fuel is a hydrocarbon. During combustion you split the hydrocarbon molecules into water and hydrogen components. The hydrogen burns off as energy but the some of it combines with oxygen and makes H2O water. This is normally fired out the exhaust and as the engine heats up any condensation from this burns off and goes out too. The 'smoke' you see on starting a cold engine. It is water vapour from combustion you made. As the exhaust gets hotter the vapour turns to steam. (Invisible Gas).

The vapour you don;t burn off will be trapped in the engine if you don't get it hot. i.e. hot enough to open the thermostat.
But in doing this you will waste a lot of fuel and un-burned fuel is bad for the engine too.

Just don't do it. Smile


I have an optimiser, the problem is I bought it too late, i.e the battery can't be saved. (My own fault) Maxes out at 12.6v.

Tank is full.

Interesting about the tyres, will do!

And very interesting point about starting, your saying I'm better off just leaving it a few months?

Cheers!

So.. Do I buy OEM Yuasa or Motobatt? Laughing
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PostPosted: 11:14 - 23 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
For your sanity and POM Yuasa will help you to sleep at night. Smile

I Put a Yuasa in my litre bike as that is what was in from factory.

I bought it from a Honda Dealer's ebay site. Cheaper that anyone.


The above Batteries should be AGM
They are more reliable and you'll get more turns with it.

There is a very expensive battery some people boast about called Odesey. They are probably good batteries but they are about 30% more expensive when compared to Yuasa. (Motobatt prices are comparable to Yuasa)
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PostPosted: 15:54 - 24 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
MCN wrote:
For your sanity and POM Yuasa will help you to sleep at night. Smile

I Put a Yuasa in my litre bike as that is what was in from factory.

I bought it from a Honda Dealer's ebay site. Cheaper that anyone.


The above Batteries should be AGM
They are more reliable and you'll get more turns with it.

There is a very expensive battery some people boast about called Odesey. They are probably good batteries but they are about 30% more expensive when compared to Yuasa. (Motobatt prices are comparable to Yuasa)


Cheers again.

Will just go for Yuasa replacement then even though I'll probably sell the bike come summer. Maybe.

I hope putting the acid in is an easy task. Laughing

Cheapest I can see is about £62. Then they randomly shoot up to £90. Laughing

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PostPosted: 18:25 - 24 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
bikertomm wrote:
MCN wrote:
For your sanity and POM Yuasa will help you to sleep at night. Smile

I Put a Yuasa in my litre bike as that is what was in from factory.

I bought it from a Honda Dealer's ebay site. Cheaper that anyone.


The above Batteries should be AGM
They are more reliable and you'll get more turns with it.

There is a very expensive battery some people boast about called Odesey. They are probably good batteries but they are about 30% more expensive when compared to Yuasa. (Motobatt prices are comparable to Yuasa)


Cheers again.

Will just go for Yuasa replacement then even though I'll probably sell the bike come summer. Maybe.

I hope putting the acid in is an easy task. Laughing

Cheapest I can see is about £62. Then they randomly shoot up to £90. Laughing

Thanks Thumbs Up


You don't need to add acid to a GSM (Maintenance Free) battery

I got mine from these cnuts

I haven't searched lately but they 'were' cheapest last year. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:13 - 24 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
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To date, the five batteries have been in testing for approximately one year. They have been dead-dropped to zero volts for extended periods numerous times. They have been used to start a 6.8L V10 engine repeatedly until dead. They have been placed under 100A load on a forty 10-second-burst-cycle test until well below the industry standard of zero percent state-of-charge. These batteries have been brutalized!!!

It should be stated that many of these batteries would serve well under "normal use" conditions. The conditions of the "Texas Toast Battery Cook Off" have placed exceptional demands on these batteries.

Most riders would never force their batteries to endure such grueling, intense and continued torture. However, at this point in the tests, the Scorpion battery (SBatt) and the BatteriesPlus Xtreme battery (XBatt) are no longer functional. These two batteries and the WBatt have been removed from subsequent tests.




Only the MotoBatt MBTX16U (MBatt)

and the Odyssey PC535 battery (OBatt - pre modified GBat)

remain in testing.


Motobatt good. Thumbs Up
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I also have positive experience with the Motobatt. Bought it for my mate's fireblade, the battery still holds the charge well, even after 2 months it still has got enough power to start the bike. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 13:59 - 25 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote
You lot don't half make decisions easy. Rolling Eyes Laughing

£60.95 Yuasa

OR

£52.50 Motobatt.

Makes sense to just go OEM, have a £30 paypal voucher anyway so that's half price already.

Cheers. Thumbs Up Thumbs Up

My next post will probably be with acid covered hands. Mr. Green
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Haha. Yeah I'm trying to buy it on ebay right now, and ebay is fucking up going into meltdown giving me error codes. Laughing

Couldn't make this up!
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I've had one in my bike for about 2 years, been faultless.
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Haha. Yeah I'm trying to buy it on ebay right now, and ebay is fucking up going into meltdown giving me error codes. Laughing

Couldn't make this up!


thank god for that i thought it was just me struggling with ebay
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Haha. Yeah I'm trying to buy it on ebay right now, and ebay is fucking up going into meltdown giving me error codes. Laughing

Couldn't make this up!


thank god for that i thought it was just me struggling with ebay


It's gone proper scatty on me. Live chat say ebay are aware of it and the technical team on it... I get error codes every time I go to buy it now, now it says the item has been removed (when it hasn't Laughing )

Weird as. Typical the one night I go to order something. There goes getting that delivered by Friday Laughing
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I've also had a motobatt fail Very Happy

But I've got a Yusuaua that I want to make sweet love to, for allowing me to crank the 650 a hundred times before I got it going again on the wrong side of the channel tunnel - attempting to get home. I did make it home, but following that debacle I left the bike untouched for 2months. I then decided to charge the battery, considering I'd allowed the motobatt to "die" after a similar spell. It took 30seconds for the charger to declare "wtf it's already charged m8" Very Happy

Tbf to the motobatt, it did have to endure some funky electrical (R/R) issues as well as sitting for a longish period (3/4 months maybe). Didn't want to come back to life at all after that though. I'm a bit stricter in topping the bastards up now.

And just to get all the facts out for this useless anecdotal information the Yuasa is a VRLA battery, not gel.

Also also, ebay seems to be on the go slow for me an' all, which is why i'm procrastinating here instead.
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Can't believe it. Gone to do it today and there's a 'VARTA' battery in the packaging. Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

I ordered a Yuasa one. Rolling Eyes

Anyone ever heard of these?

I have no idea how to embed my photos from Flickr, here:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/137470087@N02/23562869195/in/photostream/

I've tried about 100 times now Laughing

The saga continues Mr. Green
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This is the exact link / product I purchased.

Yuasa pictures, Yuasa in the description

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/271852189543?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Must have a case for that. I'd hope it's just an accidental thing. I will message them anyway to find out.

If VARTA are any good and do the job for a year then fuck it I'll just use it (Postage back is going to be a ton?) just really annoying!
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