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Ariel Badger
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PostPosted: 00:58 - 29 Nov 2015    Post subject: Belstaf jackets Reply with quote

FFS have you seen the price? They were never that good and I would hate to ride in one of the leaky filthy things.
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PostPosted: 01:05 - 29 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

they've become a fashion brand, much like LandRover at the expense of the original customer base & practicality of the product.
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PostPosted: 01:13 - 29 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Belends wrote:
Do not wash. Do not bleach. Do not tumble dry. Do not iron. Do not dry clean. Professional clean only.

Ah, the distinctive stench of damp 'never wash' garments.

Take a porous easily torn fabric, dip it in some stinking grease, don't even put any armour in it and flog it to the Shorditcheratti at £600 a pop so they can have an orfentic biking experience riding out on a dry sunny Sunday to get their hair cut while supping on a £4.50 bowl of porridge.

Corrvpt scvm, etc.

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Belstaff is an iconic British marque selling Romanian garments ordered by an American running an Italian subsidiary of a German company.

QFT.

Fashion victims.
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PostPosted: 01:14 - 29 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fuck off.

They're Iconic

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PostPosted: 01:17 - 29 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wore one in the early 80s and didn't get sex.

I blame Belstaff.
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PostPosted: 16:13 - 29 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yep, totally agree. I've seen them in the flesh and for the life of me couldn't work out why the price was so high.
Unless I'm missing some magic quality the coating imbues, they have no resistance to abrasion or impact.

I do have a Belstaff pvc waterproof over jacket that cost £40. It's actually very sturdy, but a bit bulky when folded up. It is not stylish.
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PostPosted: 21:22 - 29 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

When I started riding they were worn by pensioners on C90s and motorcycle plods.
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PostPosted: 02:19 - 30 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a Barbour International jacket. It stank and left greasy marks against pub walls but I loved it. I'd have one again if they made proper ones instead of the thin, upholstery-friendly versions they make today.
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PostPosted: 05:41 - 30 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

But, but, the baby blue suit they put ewan in for long way down was the height of cool. Even if it leaked like crazy and they had a fat frenchman patiently explaining plastic oversuits to them. I was so influenced by ewan and charlie that i went lut and bought... some hien gericke textiles, rst leathers, various bits of oversuit and dome altbergs.
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PostPosted: 10:01 - 30 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was asked recnetly by a member of BCF if I knew where he could get wax cotton clothing cheap as he didn't like the feeling of textiles. I pointed out that they aren't waterproof, warm or cheap. He doesn't talk to me anymore, some people can't be helped.
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PostPosted: 12:50 - 30 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah but they look cool.
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PostPosted: 13:44 - 30 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve McQueen wore a Barbour... That's who I looked like when I had one.... (ahem!)...
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PostPosted: 14:08 - 30 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Least bad choice a hundred years ago is no reason to wear one now. My cordura jacket has 6 outer and 3 inner pockets.

Or if you want a "vintage" look in exactly that style but which might be in with an outside chance of keeping the rain and road out, top-side leather with armour, £109.
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PostPosted: 15:29 - 30 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Used them for years. After a really wet trip, took it off when stopped at a caff to get summat to eat, gettin' it back on it felt like it was made of 'flashing' lead at just about as pliable and until you wear one of those you'll never know about filthy fingernails, man you could plant things under them.
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PostPosted: 15:43 - 30 Nov 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haz some Belstaff gloves...... can I be a Hipster?

https://i1249.photobucket.com/albums/hh504/wr6133/LPIC5419_zpsudbjgakl.jpg
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PostPosted: 01:14 - 01 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Least bad choice a hundred years ago is no reason to wear one now. My cordura jacket has 6 outer and 3 inner pockets.

Or if you want a "vintage" look in exactly that style but which might be in with an outside chance of keeping the rain and road out, top-side leather with armour, £109.


Then you would look like an Eastern European Pimp, Landlord, 2nd Hand Furniture Shop Owner/Manager etc. etc. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 10:19 - 01 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vincent wrote:
For anyone not familiar with Sammy Miller, he "became British Trials Champion 11 times and won the European Trials Championship twice. In his continuing career, Miller is a winner of over 1300 trials, nine gold medals and the International Six Days Trial, three victories at the North West 200, as well as coming 3rd in the 1957 250cc Grand Prix in championship".

Sammys 111KG( Shocked ) Ariel "Trials" bike with someone else on board:-
https://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j71/Drewskovitch/Jap%2070s%20bike%20toys/Ariel%20GON_zpsviyjwdqu.jpg


GOV132 was Sammy's Bike... That may be another works bike, it looks like it might be a GOV suffx, or one of the many 'Replicas'.

As for Yore-Man! So much for the Luck of the Irish!..... went to work for Ariel, on a never realised promise of a works GP ride they never gave him. He was then tempted to go to work for Paco Bulto, a partner in Spanish Montesa firm, who also had dreams of Grand-Prix glory, but peeved the Montesa board voted down his Gand-Prix plan, quit, sold his shares and set up Bultaco.. where he did exactly the same to Sammy as Ariel had! He never got the 'works' GP ride he dreamed off!

Believe Giacomo Agostini made some remark about him to the effect he was one of the most talented riders to never win a race!

Did too good a job making the HT5 and the the Sherpa competitive! Though suggestion is that was more his riding talent than engineering genius....

110 Kilo's is pretty respectable for an 'old-plonker' though.. that's as light as a CG125, while a modern Yamaha YZ450 4-stroke MX bike, is still 100Kg, for all the high-tech they have chucked at it.

The two-stroke Sherpa was still porking around 100Kg in the 70's, and the last of the 2-stroke T-shock, like my 1981 'Cota, weren't an awful lot lighter, for all they exploited alloy, plastic and even magnesium as much as possible to get the mass down. And yet, the 'Old Plonkers' as they were affectionately known for the 'plonkability' of them long stroke motors to JUST keep moving on shear momentum, were still 'cutting it' at international level, in the 'Classic' trials...

That is trials that are classic events, not trials for classic bikes; some-times known as 'Long-Trial', they are the head-line, usually multi-day, events held over long courses, (rather than in a quarry), like the Scottish Six Day or the Red-Rose. They are more like competitive green-laning, than the BMX type trick riding of modern short section 'observed trials', and the 'old-plonkers' were highly evolved for that discipline. Without going and digging out the books, ISTR that the last of the 'old-plonkers' to take a medal in an international, was a crazy swede on a Matchless, around 1982; but by then, the 'classic' long-trial events had been long dropped from the new 'World Championship' that was being organised around more media friendly, one-day, 'Short-Section' pocket trials, that better suited the new-breed of mono-shock fly-weights, like the Fantic.

YET.... stunning what the old-plonkers can get up to!

I bought my old Cota, its first and only MOT just expired, in February 1986.... geez... 30 years ago in a month or so!.... It was a 'respectable' and notionally competitive club-man machine at the time; the Customer 'Replica' of the bike Ulf Karlsson took the World Trials Championship title for Montesa, on in 1980. (Only one the marque managed to acquire before the Honda Buy-Out... of both the company and the championship, I think!!!!) As such, it's the 'last' of the T-Shock bikes, and presumably one of the most evolved... thoroughly out-classed by the flyweight mono' by the mid 90's, we'd got our own 'class' on the 'easy' route at club level; and by the early 2000's, were being allowed to go play with the Old-Plonkers, from time to time!

Rather 'Humbling' to turn up on a bike twenty, thirty or more years more 'advanced', on a 'pocket' course that ought to favour the nimbler T-shock.. and to actually win my class.. yet look at the results sheets and see that I'd barely make the tail of the field in 'Brit-Bike'... Shocked

Yeah, a few 'British' 2-stroke T-Shocks like the Greeves or DOTS in there by dint of being made in England, but, NO, ones at the top; Old Plonkers! Matchless, BSA C15/B40's & Enfelds significantly, (Cos you can chop an Indian one to run as a 'replica' to save the expensive metal, as long as its 'sympathetic to the era)

By all accounts, the Ariel HT5 was always a bit of a 'Pig', and while there are many GOV132 'Replicas' knocking about, and Sammy was very happy to flog bits to help build one, they have never actually been particularly wonderful! It was Sammy's riding that made it win, more than his spanners....

On which topic, ISTR a comment on them by Vale Onslow "He could never leave the damn thing alone! Always tinkering with something!"

As for the Jacket...

Vincent wrote:
Only trials riders when I started.


The waxed cotton might have been a 'thing' trials in the 50's & 60's when 'Long-Trial' was more common, but the 'Trials Jersey' I think was popularised y Mick Andrews in the early 70's.

By the early 80's when I started, in 'pocket-trials', usual attire was either a Rugby shirt & Jeans, or a 'Trials Jersey'.. which back then was pretty much the same thing with 'Yamaha' written accross the front!

https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11232226_1101084786583104_3248636678656500256_n.jpg?oh=fe4096396cebc883ba5aea02a079f710&oe=56DECEFD

Only Waxed cottons I remember seeing were worn by the observers who turned up on C90's or BMW's with big white panniers! Wink
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PostPosted: 12:13 - 01 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

My friend has a house in Italy where there is a Belstaff outlet where you can get them for a fraction I am told
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