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They're quite common here in Malaysia, but Indonesia gets the latest 'facelifted' model.
From what I've heard, Kawasaki's new z250sl and Ninja 250sl were introduced as four-stroke replacements for the 150rr due to emissions regulations.
I would describe them as the 'White Lightning' of motorcycles. Very cheap, very narrow bike, tyres like a bicycle's, extremely lightweight. In Malaysia they're a favourite of the local motorcycle hooligans and have a bad reputation as a result. Lower quality and specs in general compared to the Aprilia RS125, but more powerful. Can easily keep up with and embarrass 600s and litre bikes in the twisties when piloted by a sufficiently suicidal rider who never lets off the throttle.
Claimed top speed of 200km/h according to some Youtube videos, this is either due to an overly-optimistic speedo, different sprockets or some racey go-fast parts in the engine. Don't expect them to feel comfortable and last any decent amount of time going at that speed, though. ____________________ Motorsapien Art |
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| deadwolf wrote: | They're quite common here in Malaysia, but Indonesia gets the latest 'facelifted' model.
From what I've heard, Kawasaki's new z250sl and Ninja 250sl were introduced as four-stroke replacements for the 150rr due to emissions regulations.
I would describe them as the 'White Lightning' of motorcycles. Very cheap, very narrow bike, tyres like a bicycle's, extremely lightweight. In Malaysia they're a favourite of the local motorcycle hooligans and have a bad reputation as a result. Lower quality and specs in general compared to the Aprilia RS125, but more powerful. Can easily keep up with and embarrass 600s and litre bikes in the twisties when piloted by a sufficiently suicidal rider who never lets off the throttle.
Claimed top speed of 200km/h according to some Youtube videos, this is either due to an overly-optimistic speedo, different sprockets or some racey go-fast parts in the engine. Don't expect them to feel comfortable and last any decent amount of time going at that speed, though. |
Thanks for your informative comment I didn't know you are in Malaysia.
I had thai honda 2002 LS125R which was less than 100kg with narrow tyres, plus very happy speedo, so I understand your comment very much At that time there were KRR150 and NSR150 too. 150s were much more powerful than my 125 and regretted I didn't buy 150 then. And I found no 2T stocks from thai honda anymore soon.
This RR150 looks newer than KRR150 thanks to facelift.
I found 4T250s in Indonesia HP along with 2T 150s. These must be replacement for 150s as you mentioned.
Some owners were saying Overhaul was necessary after around 12000miles so have to be careful when buying used ones.
My LS125 was 24PS, KRR150/RR150 is 30PS, NSR150 was 31PS. So 150s must be highly tuned than 125s (and less durability?)
Sellers in Japan were saying "the last chance of new 2T". Maybe true but I was lucky I could buy mine much cheaper in 2002. No way to that rip off price.
I do not know well about tax system in Malaysia/Thailand/Indonesia. I once heard most bikes were limited under 150cc in the past due to high tax rate for over 150cc bikes. It's nice if they can buy over 150cc easier now. ____________________ own:2020 Serow 250
owned: 2012 YB125SP, 2008 TDM900, 2005 W650, 2002 LS125R, 2002 CB400SF, NS50F, C50 / Trip to UK(2009), Hokkaido touring(2013) |
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I doubt they'd sell any in the UK. They'd need to be sleeved down to 125.
Since 1983 in the UK, you need a full bike licence to ride any bike over 125cc.
As such, bikes with a capacity between 125 and say 250cc have not been very popular. If you've gone to the effort of doing your test, why would you have a bike that has only marginal benefits over a learner legal one you could ride before your test? You'd be looking for something bigger.
It would be a bit like trying to sell a 450cc bike in Japan. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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Hells bells,
is there no way of getting one of these into the UK?
I have a de-restricted NSR125 but thats 14 years old now and that 2015 150 kinda gives me the horn!
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| stinkwheel wrote: | I doubt they'd sell any in the UK. They'd need to be sleeved down to 125.
Since 1983 in the UK, you need a full bike licence to ride any bike over 125cc.
As such, bikes with a capacity between 125 and say 250cc have not been very popular. If you've gone to the effort of doing your test, why would you have a bike that has only marginal benefits over a learner legal one you could ride before your test? You'd be looking for something bigger.
It would be a bit like trying to sell a 450cc bike in Japan. |
Thanks stinkwheel. 450cc explanation was very helpful.
I found A1 license is up to 125cc and 15bhp. I found why Aprilia RS4 125 is now 4T and 15bhp. 150 2T won't sell well in U.K. and no one would try to sell them. A2 and A license holder will buy bigger bikes for sure! ____________________ own:2020 Serow 250
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Certainly looks like a fun toy but you'd have to think the market for them would be very small indeed.
Historically, manufacturers have done limited numbers of non-restricted 125cc bikes in the UK. Certainly the RS125 and I think they did a fully loaded SP version of the NSR125 at one point?
Thing is, those tend to land up in club race series where they have a 125cc class. Next class up is usually 250cc. Again, no place for a full-power 150cc bike.
I'm pretty sure they still make the KH125 in Brazil. marketed as a GTO125? I've seen a few grey imports come up every so often. ____________________ “Rule one: Always stick around for one more drink. That's when things happen. That's when you find out everything you want to know.”
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| stinkwheel wrote: | Certainly looks like a fun toy but you'd have to think the market for them would be very small indeed.
Historically, manufacturers have done limited numbers of non-restricted 125cc bikes in the UK. Certainly the RS125 and I think they did a fully loaded SP version of the NSR125 at one point?
Thing is, those tend to land up in club race series where they have a 125cc class. Next class up is usually 250cc. Again, no place for a full-power 150cc bike.
I'm pretty sure they still make the KH125 in Brazil. marketed as a GTO125? I've seen a few grey imports come up every so often. |
Thanks stinkwheel. I found why many of NSR125 owners in U.K. De-restrict them. 150 isn't popular size here either. You need to have 400 license, expensive insurance than 125. Only pros against 125 is being able to use motorway. If it was 125 or 250..
I remembered GTO125. That bike looks very classic. Kawasaki may be the last one in making 2T bikes. ____________________ own:2020 Serow 250
owned: 2012 YB125SP, 2008 TDM900, 2005 W650, 2002 LS125R, 2002 CB400SF, NS50F, C50 / Trip to UK(2009), Hokkaido touring(2013) |
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| stinkwheel wrote: | Certainly looks like a fun toy but you'd have to think the market for them would be very small indeed.
Historically, manufacturers have done limited numbers of non-restricted 125cc bikes in the UK. Certainly the RS125 and I think they did a fully loaded SP version of the NSR125 at one point?
Thing is, those tend to land up in club race series where they have a 125cc class. Next class up is usually 250cc. Again, no place for a full-power 150cc bike.
I'm pretty sure they still make the KH125 in Brazil. marketed as a GTO125? I've seen a few grey imports come up every so often. |
Thanks stinkwheel. I found why many of NSR125 owners in U.K. must De-restrict them. 150 isn't popular size here either. You need to have 400 license, expensive insurance than 125. Only pros against 125 is being able to use motorway. If it was 125 or 250..
I remembered GTO125. That bike looks very classic. Kawasaki may be the last one in making 2T bikes. ____________________ own:2020 Serow 250
owned: 2012 YB125SP, 2008 TDM900, 2005 W650, 2002 LS125R, 2002 CB400SF, NS50F, C50 / Trip to UK(2009), Hokkaido touring(2013) |
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I'd love a Yamaha RX-Z 135, basically an overgrown and properly tuned RXS100 motor (so reliable) in a RD125 frame:
https://imagesci.com/img/2013/13/yamaha-rxz-2009-27349-hd-wallpapers.jpg
They were sold until 2011, complete with a catalytic converter to try and get it through emissions for a little longer such was most people's disappointment with the FZ-150 four stroke replacement. Prices of the RX-Z rocketed as soon as they went out of production the first time in 2004. 21HP, 106kg dry, at least 80MPG, aww yiss.
I've never seen an RX-Z for sale here but I have spied a couple of CBR150s on ebay, and I've been mighty tempted as they're similar in specs to my CB250 but manage about 90MPG. But I can't justify it just yet, not until the CB dies.. And what if I dropped the CBR? Or needed any bits ever? Nightmare. ____________________ 1994 CB250, 1984 CBX250RS-E, 1989 K100RS, 1995 TRX850, 2016 Z250SL |
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| stevo as b4 wrote: | I don't trust the build quality of an Indonesian built 30bhp 2stroke bike, especially one with spoked wheels and thin tyres.
The Honda CBR150 was a pretty nice looking bike though, and I would prefer strongly if it was in Repsol colours too!
As for the Kawasaki I'd sooner have a 150cc big bore kit on an old AR125 than have one of these non Jap built 150's.
Even better buy and early Aprilia RS125 in mint condition and see how sublime a 125cc sports stroker can be. The 150cc Ninja won't come close to the quality, style or spec of a trick Italian 125SP stroker.
I do quite like the 2stroke Yamaha Step through things they make though with the 6speed gearbox and Circa 20bhp? |
I found why Aprilia RS125 is still popular in Europe after reading your comment.
I knew Honda dash 125 was one of step through. It looks like colourful rocket super cub. I don't know why they prefered underbone style. Rare owner of dash was saying it has smaller tank plus 2T motor hence short tank milage. ____________________ own:2020 Serow 250
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Out of all the 150cc strokers my favourite would probably be the NSR150SP. Thing came with a single-sided swingarm!
https://onlytruecars.com/data_images/gallery/01/honda-nsr-150-sp/honda-nsr-150-sp-09.jpg
M'sia also got Yamaha's TZM 150 and you see a few on the roads once in a while:
https://pic.prepics-cdn.com/1b9761c03bd3/19457171.jpeg
I'd prefer both over the 150rr. Better production values or something..
For those who are interested, there's a quirk in Malaysian government policy that explains the popularity of 150cc bikes here (as opposed to the 125cc in Europe/UK). While M'sian license tiers go from 0-250cc, 250-500cc and unlimited cc, the govt provides heavy road tax concessions to motorcycles under 150cc due to the large number of low-income households who depend on small bikes for transport.
TL;DR the annual road tax in M'sia for a bike below 150cc is RM2/32 pence/59 yen  ____________________ Motorsapien Art |
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