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bigdom86
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PostPosted: 13:43 - 12 Dec 2015    Post subject: larger super sports bikes Reply with quote

hi all

doing DAS soon and having a think of bikes i would like to buy after.

i currently have a cbr 125 and have rode a gsxr600 and a cbf650 both which were nice but i much prefer the super sports look and riding position.

i am quite big, 6ft2 and around 19stone (not fat Laughing )

i like the look of the r6 or cbr600, i dont like the look of the gsxr but the riding position was nice and you feel you are "in" the bike rather than "on" it.

it seems that the never versions of the r6 and cbr600 and 600rr have been made more slim and shorter in length, probably so more race orientated.

maybe a bit of a stupid question but what year were these bikes bigger, ie wider and longer?

or maybe i should be looking into r1 or cbr1000 territory?
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PostPosted: 14:18 - 12 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://cycle-ergo.com/

You may prefer the look of the position but you may not like it. Wink

Depends how many hours a day you'll ride it and your core strength.
I suspect you can add bar risers so some, and brackets to drop the pegs.

If you're the bloke who recently locked up the front on a 125 then maybe choose ABS. Razz
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PostPosted: 14:56 - 12 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

You should absolutely not be looking at 1000cc sportsbikes. For starters they are nearly as small as their 600 brethren.

If I were you I'd be looking at older 600s or perhaps sports tourers like the VFR800. There's a reason why tall people tend to go for giant trailies/adventure bikes these days.

That's not even considering the unsuitability of a 1000cc sportsbike for a new rider.
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PostPosted: 15:04 - 12 Dec 2015    Post subject: re Reply with quote

currently just use for commuting, central london commute around 1 hour, soon to be commuting on m25, a13 etc so want something with presence and size, comfort not too much of a concern as will be riding 1hour to 1hour 20mins maximum a day and i have been fine on my tiny cbr125 Laughing

oh yes that was me who locked up, only happened the one time in my past 12 months of commuting, but will be looking at abs definitely

what year was the cbr600 and r6 bigger? i dont really like the look of the vfr, sounds stupid but i prefer look over comfort. maybe get the gsxr600 as when i rode that it was a mix of both comfort and looks i guess
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PostPosted: 15:09 - 12 Dec 2015    Post subject: re Reply with quote

that ergo program is cool cheers Smile
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PostPosted: 15:10 - 12 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

ABS bikes will limit you to recent models.

Use that link and compare riding positions of the bikes you are interested in.
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PostPosted: 15:14 - 12 Dec 2015    Post subject: re Reply with quote

i dont mind buying an older model without ABS and just learn to ride better (although was only the once but once is enough), if the older models are slightly bigger,

the r6 and cbr600 riding position looks fine to me, as does the gsxr600 which was comfortable when i went for a ride on one
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PostPosted: 16:17 - 12 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found the riding position of a 98 r1 pretty comfortable, but the bike was a wild thing that beat me up. Fun, but I couldn't live with it. VFR felt similar, perhaps the bars were a bit closer, but something was different and I had a lot of wrist pain quite quickly. Shame as it was a sublimely smooth and fast bike I could have otherwise lived with. I'm 6 foot with short legs for my height.

There's a divergence in sports bikes between comfortable road bikes and hardcore track focussed things. The R6 I tried was less suited to the roads than the R1, very high seat, much contortion required and fiddly around town. If you want a mental thing then by all means get something that's very track focussed. Just be prepared to suffer if you use it for long trips or round town.
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PostPosted: 16:40 - 12 Dec 2015    Post subject: Re: larger super sports bikes Reply with quote

bigdom86 wrote:
it seems that the never versions of the r6 and cbr600 and 600rr have been made more slim and shorter in length, probably so more race orientated.


Before the RR was produced the CBR600F WAS Hondas flagship racebike.

You say you dont care about comfort, I hate to tell you this but comfort is a safety issue

However a superbike as a first big bike is a safety issue as well and you arent going to listen to anyone about that

I'm taller than you, and I found I was stretched almost uncomfortably on a '92 Fireblade - it was also the single most boring bike at speeds under the speed limit. So I recomend you get that.



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PostPosted: 17:06 - 12 Dec 2015    Post subject: Re: larger super sports bikes Reply with quote

Kal wrote:
...it was also the single most boring bike at speeds under the speed limit. So I recomend you get that.

Chuck Norris rode a '98 R1. Once.


That is indeed the the issue with rapid litre bikes on public roads. 60 feels like a bimble and they will find instaban/jail speeds so effortlessly, yet may be utterly useless if you find a properly tight bit of backroad.

I learnt to scrape pegs on a 125, and had 3 years of throwing a recalcitrant virago about on nadgery backroads where 30mph realistic corner speeds would make any bike interesting. There's a whole riding a slow bike fast vs riding a fast bike slow debate here. Chances of ever riding a litre bike to 85% of what it's capable of on a road?

Conversely hitting road furniture fast enough to be insta-potato can be achieved on a 125. Approaching junctions too fast to be observed by a cager can happen on a 125. The 535 with single front disk, single piston caliper and drum rear would stop fast enough to catch out dopey cagers on a damp road. And that's before I found brembo brake pads that actually made the fucker stop.

Get a bike you're comfortable on. Ride it lots. Do cheap bikesafe/ERS as they become available to check up on your skills. Don't get potatoed. Have fun. Whatever you buy we'll all say you didn't listen and bought the wrong bike. This is the internet.
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PostPosted: 17:26 - 12 Dec 2015    Post subject: Re: re Reply with quote

bigdom86 wrote:
so want something with presence and size,

i dont really like the look of the vfr, sounds stupid but i prefer look over comfort.


If you want presence and size then get the likes of a V Storm or the BMW's.
Or the killer of bike presence a Goldwing Thumbs Up

One thing to note. When riding a bike you can't see much of it. So comfort takes pride of place over looks Cool
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PostPosted: 17:39 - 12 Dec 2015    Post subject: Re: re Reply with quote

If at all possible I'd encourage you to do an extended test ride of your candidates on your daily commute. You're going to get a brief rush from riding any new bike that might lead you to ignore ergonomic issues that will become a chore day after day.

That said, plenty of folk do crunch themselves up on sportsbikes so feel free to ignore my ow-my-back geezerism. Wink
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PostPosted: 18:19 - 12 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm 6'1 and ride a ZZR600 which gives me a fairly upright position with the whole of me rocked forward slightly, I can bend my elbows and tuck in if I wish.

I used to find my legs a bit cramped (I have a 34inch inside leg) but got used to it.

It is possible to fit adjustable foot pegs to gain a little more space.

I'd say find a bike you enjoy riding, doesn't matter what it looks like when you're on it does it? :p
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PostPosted: 18:25 - 12 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wonko The Sane wrote:
I'd say find a bike you enjoy riding, doesn't matter what it looks like when you're on it does it? :p


This cannot be said loud enough or often enough.
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PostPosted: 19:09 - 12 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Buy based solely on performance and handling, nothing else is important.
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PostPosted: 20:10 - 12 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

GT200Fan79 wrote:
Buy based solely on performance and handling, nothing else is important.


ER.. have you ridden an R1 to the black forest...

my point is .. the intended use of the vehicle takes precedence over all..

so performance and handling are paramount for a week-end toy...
other uses may require different characteristics ...

horses for courses & riders for horses
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PostPosted: 20:16 - 12 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bikes are toys. If you want comfort and practicality get a car.
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PostPosted: 20:18 - 12 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

You probably only ride in the sunshine....

......not that I'm judging you....
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PostPosted: 20:23 - 12 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

GT200Fan79 wrote:
Bikes are toys. If you want comfort and practicality get a car.


i have a van .. suppose that counts .. Rolling Eyes

but 2 wheeled practicality comes in the shape of a ZZR14 .. Cool

Kal wrote:
You probably only ride in the sunshine....
......not that I'm judging you....

Laughing Laughing Laughing


bet he dont stray far from base either.. Wink
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PostPosted: 20:30 - 12 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kal wrote:
Currently riding: 1984 GB250 Clubman,1983 CB250N Superdream, 1999 GPZ500S


Ha ha ha bet your riding is a right barrel of laughs Wink
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PostPosted: 20:39 - 12 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

He does have a point. Bikes are supposed to be exciting. Cars are comfortable vehicles. Bikes are for getting your kicks or getting through traffic.

I did an R1 through Spain and it was exceptional through mountains, motorways and dirt paths. Black forest would be a walk in the park.
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PostPosted: 20:48 - 12 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:

I did an R1 through Spain and it was exceptional through mountains, motorways and dirt paths. Black forest would be a walk in the park.


i did scotland and apple cross the long way round the coast .. never fcukin again ... so much better on the ZZR14 ..

Black forest was hard work on the ZZR14 .. R1 would have been better but there is no way i`m ridin the R1 that far on autobahns..

incidentally the road surface there was in sh1t state in some places which did not help.
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PostPosted: 23:32 - 12 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm a bit meh though these days with the whole biking holiday/touring is an adventure and a challenge. The trip around Spain would have still been fun in a boring old estate car loaded with your mates. Its always going to be about the trip/scenery and experiences along the way, not what mode of transport you use to get there.

You don't even need a motorbike to tour Spain for example , it could be done on a pushbike and again it would be all about the laughs and experience and being with your mates in a different environment than any real challenge of how you get around.
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PostPosted: 00:26 - 13 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

GT200Fan79 wrote:
Kal wrote:
Currently riding: 1984 GB250 Clubman,1983 CB250N Superdream, 1999 GPZ500S


Ha ha ha bet your riding is a right barrel of laughs Wink


The Superdream is 'challenging'
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PostPosted: 09:24 - 13 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kal wrote:


The Superdream is 'challenging'


In so many ways... Laughing
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