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PostPosted: 21:54 - 12 Dec 2015    Post subject: Can anyone explain premium bonds to a numpty Reply with quote

OK folks finally sold my house and won't be buying another until I'm fixed enough to get a mortgage again so 6-8 months hopefully.
I should have around 100k clear and don't want it somewhere I can easily pick at it and is safe so someone suggested premium bonds as I could even gain more than interest in the bank would get me...
Pro's cons?? I'm currently stuck in the qe for next 3 weeks so won't be doing much til I'm out and I currently have the thought process of a 5 year old thanks to 12 months of chemo lol..
Go easy on me I'm not switched on enough to invest and would like access to it if something comes up.. Karma
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PostPosted: 22:04 - 12 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know much about the rates i.e. The odds of winning but I do think they meet your 'safe' and ' easy access!' criteria.

Isn't there a cap on how many you can have though? (and isn't it less than your £100,000)?
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PostPosted: 22:17 - 12 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Limits £50k this year, I will be in a similar position soon so will keep an eye on this thread, in the meantime ....

https://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/savings/2015/06/limit-rises-to-50000-on-premium-bonds

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PostPosted: 23:18 - 12 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

As already said you can invest £50k max. Prize fund pays equivalent rate of 1.35% on average which is tax free. Also you can get some or all of your cash out without notice.

However 1.35% depends on you having "average" luck. You could win more or less. Moneysavingexpert has a good calculator to work out your return.

IMO premium bonds are a good place to put £50k for 12/24 months or so as long as you bank your winnings (if any) in another interest bearing account. Otherwise if you just spend it you won't feel the benefit Wink

I wouldn't leave £50k in premium bonds for more than a couple of years though. Inflation, even though it is low at the moment will erode the value of your £50k if you leave it too long.
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PostPosted: 08:27 - 13 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers guys and lasses
Yes it's only going to be a short term thing I think a year max..
So if I stuck 50 in bonds where would be a good place to put the other 50? Where it's safe and easy ish to get back when I need it. Not that worried about it gaining much interest as it's never going to gain much over the relatively short period I guess.
I don't want to leave it in my current account as it will just whittle away Embarassed
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PostPosted: 08:42 - 13 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

For just a year or so you will struggle to get much more than 1%, but it's probably still worth doing some kind of fixed term bond (e.g. https://personal.natwest.com/personal/savings/fixed-term-savingsaccount.html ) as you say it stops the temptation to keep dipping in and with inflation near zero at least your sum is actually growing which has often not been the case in the past.

You can get more if you can lock it up for 3 or even 5 years (maybe part of it?)

However if the idea is to put it towards a house, bear in mind house prices have been rising above inflation so you may feel worse off.
In that case using it as deposit is probably a better plan though obvious there may be many personal reasons why that's not realistic right now.
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PostPosted: 09:48 - 13 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

doggone wrote:
For just a year or so you will struggle to get much more than 1%, but it's probably still worth doing some kind of fixed term bond (e.g. https://personal.natwest.com/personal/savings/fixed-term-savingsaccount.html ) as you say it stops the temptation to keep dipping in and with inflation near zero at least your sum is actually growing which has often not been the case in the past.

You can get more if you can lock it up for 3 or even 5 years (maybe part of it?)

However if the idea is to put it towards a house, bear in mind house prices have been rising above inflation so you may feel worse off.
In that case using it as deposit is probably a better plan though obvious there may be many personal reasons why that's not realistic right now.

Well my situation at present is that I'm having treatment for cancer so can't get a mortgage as I'm not able to work, I was planning on selling the house before I got diagnosed and my sister has bought it so easy sale compared to some.
I just want to sit on the money for now until I can either get a mortgage on a place I want. Ideally I want a log cabin type place so have been looking at ground but I don't feel up all the planning and stuff at the moment.
I understand if I leave it in the bank it's only covered for 75k? If the worst happened ?
Unfortunately 100k doesn't get much of a house around here.
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PostPosted: 10:06 - 13 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Talk to a financal advisor.

You're not going to earn much interest on it, so your primary concern should be keeping the money safe rather than trying to earn much out of it.

I would expect that you're best off putting it in several different places - some in an ISA, some in bonds, some in bank accounts. You might also be able to get 1 year bank bonds where you can't access the money until the term is up but the interest is reasonable.

A while ago one of the banks - I think Santander - was offering a bond where they pay the interest up front, which looked like a a nice bonus for someone that seeks instant gratification.
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PostPosted: 10:41 - 13 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

£50k in premium bonds doesn't sound too bad in your personal situation.

If you haven't already filled a cash ISA I should think that is a good idea too - its tax free, safe and easy access. Investment limit is ~£15k per tax year so could fill one now then put another £15k in at the beginning of April.

That only leaves you with £20k of your 100 to do something with. It may be that you could afford to put this portion into a slightly longer term (1-2 yr) bond which won't be easy access (but all the rest is, if you need it) but will give slightly better returns.
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PostPosted: 10:52 - 13 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

50,000 goes at winning a Million quid every month. You never know, your luck? Wink
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PostPosted: 11:06 - 13 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Won't it be 5000 goes now, as they're £10?
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PostPosted: 11:08 - 13 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh I didn't know about the isa thing that may be an idea especially if like you say can put 2 lots in effectively . Some of those do give a reasonable return on it too don't they? .
Wish I was clever enough to make it work for me but at present I just want to make sure it's all there available when I need it.
Not sure about tying some up for a fixed term as I would possibly then end up with a bigger mortgage in future till I could release it and I think I may struggle with borrowing too much..
Stuck here in hospital for next 3 weeks and when I get out the sale should be completed so need to start looking and deciding I guess.
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PostPosted: 11:10 - 13 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jewlio Rides Again wrote:
Won't it be 5000 goes now, as they're £10?
but they are technically "free goes" right ? I don't have much interweb signal here so struggling to load the page up.
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PostPosted: 11:26 - 13 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

jimspeed wrote:
Jewlio Rides Again wrote:
Won't it be 5000 goes now, as they're £10?
but they are technically "free goes" right ? .


They are free in that you get your capital back either way, win or lose, yes.

The 'cost' is the fact that you are sacrificing guaranteed interest income elsewhere for potential winnings income from bonds, which may turn out to be substantially higher, about the same, or nothing at all.
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PostPosted: 11:30 - 13 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

But as interest rates are stupidly low for savers it's got to be a reasonable short term call.
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PostPosted: 12:32 - 13 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

We have around £12k in Premium Bonds and the wife keeps a record of winnings on a spreadsheet. At the moment it's running at the equivalent of 0.5% interest rate so we could get more with a bank. other members of the family hold more (near the £50k) and theirs returns around 1%.

However, Premium Bonds are a great way of separating some money off and storing it safely, away from the banks. Bear in mind that only £85k of your money is protected if the bank goes under, so splitting it is a good option. It can all be managed online now so nice and easy.

Personally I would stick £50k into Premium Bonds and max out a cash ISA. Put the rest into a bank account of your choice and in April max out your next years ISA limit.
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PostPosted: 14:54 - 13 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

You could have a look at putting some into p2p lending. Current rate for one year is 4.5% (gross). It's regulated by FCA but not protected by FSCS but the risk is low since your cash is spread between borrowers - it's 'not much riskier than saving at a bank'
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PostPosted: 15:02 - 13 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why are people seemingly only recommending products with low interest rates? Confused
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PostPosted: 16:35 - 13 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Why are people seemingly only recommending products with low interest rates? Confused


Err.....because he said "safe" as in low risk. I don't know of any truly low risk investment vehicles that pay anything other than low interest rates.

RCI Bank UK is offering 1.65% easy access, that's the best I can find

Best 12 month is 2.6% also from RCI.
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PostPosted: 16:43 - 13 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tracey Suntan-King wrote:
I don't know of any truly low risk investment vehicles that pay anything other than low interest rates.

Which is why people should take advice from professionals when investing such sums of money.
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PostPosted: 17:06 - 13 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt B wrote:
Bear in mind that only £85k of your money is protected if the bank goes under, so splitting it is a good option.


75k now
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PostPosted: 17:06 - 13 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Tracey Suntan-King wrote:
I don't know of any truly low risk investment vehicles that pay anything other than low interest rates.

Which is why people should take advice from professionals when investing such sums of money.


I have a financial adviser, a necessary evil IMO. I resent every pound he takes from me. I only have him because the one I had before turned out to be a total dickhead who I reported to the FSA (as it was called back then). The only way I could get away from the dickhead was to move my funds to another less dicky dickhead, because, you know, we civilians don't know what we're doing.

My mother's independent financial advisor lost her £100k. Two prosecutions (of the investment company he advised she put her cash into) by the serious fraud office failed*, many millions were lost by many people. Not a penny retrieved.p by anyone. Guess who got off scot free? That's right, the financial advisor. Oh yes and guess what....he didn't put any of his own money into the failed investment that lost his clients a fortune.

So sorry Ste, I don't share your confidence in the over-rated, over-paid bottom feeders known as financial advisors.

* Prosecutions failed because after two separate complex trials which lasted weeks each time, each jury failed to reach a verdict. The details of the fraud were so complex and evidently designed to destroy any sort of audit trail, that no-one could properly understand the case against the fraudsters.
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PostPosted: 17:19 - 13 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fair enough, by all means take financial advice from BCF rather than from banks. Thumbs Up

It's not my £100k, I don't care what the OP does with it, if he's happy to just receive a few percent interest on his money then that's his call. Laughing
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PostPosted: 17:34 - 13 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Based on my sample of (3) IFAs, 100% turned out to be useless dicks.

My empirical research stands.

However, I am not advocating BCF as an alternative to an IFA, obviously.

If you want low risk, short-term investment anyone can do that by looking at best buy tables and refering to websites like Moneysupermarket or
Moneysavingexpert. You can find your own deposit accounts or bonds.

Anything longer term or if specific growth or income goals are required, then some sort of advice is probably needed. If this is the case choose carefully. If you find and are sure of a good IFA then all well and good.

I just never have!
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PostPosted: 17:38 - 13 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

jimspeed wrote:

I understand if I leave it in the bank it's only covered for 75k? If the worst happened ?
Unfortunately 100k doesn't get much of a house around here.


Take a look Here

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Temporary High Balances

From 3 July 2015, the Financial Services Compensation Scheme (FSCS) provides a £1 million protection limit for temporary high balances held with your bank, building society or credit union if it fails.

Temporary high balances are the result of specified major life events that lead to a large amount of money being held in a person’s account for up to six months.

A depositor with a temporary high balance may be entitled to receive additional compensation from FSCS of up to £1 million per life event, with unlimited cover for personal injury claims.

Proceeds resulting from the following life events are categorised as temporary high balances:

Sums paid to the depositor in respect of:

Real estate transactions (property purchase, sale proceeds, equity release)
Benefits payable under an insurance policy
Personal injury compensation (unlimited amount)
Disability or incapacity (state benefits)
Claim for compensation for wrongful conviction
Claim for compensation for unfair dismissal
Redundancy (voluntary or compulsory)
Marriage or civil partnership
Divorce or dissolution of their civil partnership
Benefits payable on retirement
Benefits payable on death
A claim for compensation in respect of a person’s death
Inheritance
Proceeds of a deceased’s estate held by their Personal Representative


Cover for temporary high balances is only available to individuals and not to companies.

For upto 6 months.

TBH. The odds of one of the big banks/B-S going tits up very slim.. When you think that the Government has to funds these payouts.

£20K in a Santander 123 acc = 3% If you have a partner then you can have 3. 1 joint & 2 sole. So long as you meet the criteria.
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