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PostPosted: 18:32 - 13 Dec 2015    Post subject: Can insrance be transferred from a 125 to a 'proper' bike? Reply with quote

Evening all,
Having read a few posts on here I am a little worried about the above.
My original plan was to pick up a decent 125 next weekend (CBT and gear is now sorted, thanks BCF) and ride it until summer, getting a few hours of lessons a week and theory sorted before doing a 2 day DAS in June ish.
However, this will be an issue if it is going to cost me lots of cash to transfer the insurance across from the 125 to whatever A2 machine I move onto.
Looking at the quotes, there seems very little difference between insuring a 125 on L plates, and an ER6-f or whatever on the full license.
Can anyone give me some advice on insurers who will do this, their experiences etc, as well as their thoughts on my plan?
Would it be simpler to just save up some more cash and try and get my A2 sorted at Easter and not bother with the 125 at all?
Thanks.
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PostPosted: 19:00 - 13 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would be very surprised. When I moved house my underwriters wouldnt cover the Superdream at my new address so I had to start a new policy...

Funny thing was the GPZ was with different underwriter at the same insurer so the insurance for that just needed a tiny increase in premium.

If you go for the 125 then you'll have at least six months riding under your belt before tackling your DAS.

I can't imagine that insurance is really going to cost that much for you.
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PostPosted: 19:09 - 13 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kal wrote:

I can't imagine that insurance is really going to cost that much for you.


If only. The quotes I have seen suggest that I will spend more to insure a £1000 125 third party only for 5,000miles/year than it currently costs to insure my considerably more expensive, reasonably fast car fully comp for 15,000 miles/year.

Good point about the extra experience on the 125 though, it might save me cash on retests etc.
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PostPosted: 19:28 - 13 Dec 2015    Post subject: Re: Can insrance be transferred from a 125 to a 'proper' bik Reply with quote

asta1 wrote:
Would it be simpler to just save up some more cash and try and get my A2 sorted at Easter and not bother with the 125 at all?


Yes.

asta1 wrote:
Looking at the quotes, there seems very little difference between insuring a 125 on L plates, and an ER6-f or whatever on the full license.


Then avoid the 125 at all costs. Do DAS when you can afford and buy you're desired ER6-f.

asta1 wrote:
Good point about the extra experience on the 125 though, it might save me cash on retests etc.


Lets not be negative in advance.

If I had "x" amount of cash I'd rather put it towards more lessons than teaching myself bad habits on a tiddler that's going to cost me more money on more lessons to get rid off in the long run. A good local recommended training school is invaluable.

asta1 wrote:
*insurance*


(1) Try various mileage. Usually it's the same price up until a certain point, personally 10,000 was the same price as half that or less, why limit yourself and then have to decide between not telling them or paying a fee to adjust it.

(2) Try without security listed (unless it gives you a discount) as on TPO it won't matter and may increase the price.
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PostPosted: 19:29 - 13 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

They should do.

My insurance company allowed me to swap from my 125 to a bigger bike after passing my test and even gave me a weeks cover for both while I sold my 125. I had to pay the difference though which wasn't too much.
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PostPosted: 01:44 - 14 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

My friend got his policy changed over from a YZF-R125 to a GSXR 1000 over the phone with ease so it's possible. He's with MCE.
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PostPosted: 07:54 - 14 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is probably the best time of year not to buy a 125 as you'll hardly get to use it properly until the Spring.

So, turn this to your advantage and start thinking about (a) doing your theory test now and (b) taking a training course and DAS in Jan/Feb. I actually only decided to sit my test when I was bored one January and had my full licence by the end of the month.
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PostPosted: 10:10 - 14 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oldie wrote:
This is probably the best time of year not to buy a 125 as you'll hardly get to use it properly until the Spring.

It's a good time if you can find a new rider throwing in the towel (due to the cold). I remember someone on here got an XR125 for the price of an Xbox Very Happy

Fair point about the weather, guess it depends where you live. Last two winters (and this one looks the same) have been quite mild, only been one really cold day so far...
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PostPosted: 10:18 - 14 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

waffles wrote:
My insurance company allowed me to swap from my 125 to a bigger bike after passing my test and even gave me a weeks cover for both while I sold my 125. I had to pay the difference though which wasn't too much.

I swapped my HN to a GPZ500S online, in about 2 minutes, with £0 extra to pay.

Which means absolutely nothing to the OP. Every broker and underwriter is different. I'd be astonished if you could get a straight answer from a broker about whether the underwriter will allow it - what are they going to do, say no and lose their commission on the sale?

I'd assume and budget on the basis that it won't be possible. If it is then that's a bonus.
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PostPosted: 10:49 - 14 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I recently spoke to my insurance broker (Swintons) about the same thing.

They said that they wouldn't swap the bike on the same policy, but would refund me any remaining full months of cover pro-rata and credit it against a new 12 month policy for the new bike, as long as I arrange the new policy through them.

If the new policy turns out to be less than the refund due, they would sent me a cheque for the difference, but if I wanted to take the refund and spend it elsewhere, they would charge me an admin fee.

They also told me that other insurance companies might work differently, and treat each case on merit - so speak to yours and ask what they do.
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PostPosted: 13:25 - 14 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

From my experience:

Either: skip 125, save money for A2, buy A2 bike, search cheapest quote.

Or: Get 125 and keep for 6 months, any rebate with be eaten up by the early cancellation fee.

Or: As above but phone your insurance and hope you get off lightly - best case scenario you'll pay a small amount to change your bike to a different one)
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PostPosted: 23:46 - 14 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not about the insurer, it's about the underwriter.

You might get insured by company A for your 125 but underwriter 1 is the one covering you. Company A also gave you a reasonable quote for a 600, but it would be covered by underwriter 2. You couldn't transfer the policy because they're with different companies. The only hope is that underwriter 1 also is willing to insure the 600 and it's at a reasonable price.

Personally I don't think there's any point in 125s now. The new licensing laws negated the need for anybody at A2 age to even think about getting a lower powered machine.

Wait, do the A2, get an A2 bike. Delayed gratification pays off!
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PostPosted: 00:17 - 15 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Right gents,
Thanks for the advice,
I will book theory asap and see when the next available A2 DAS course is!
Exciting times.
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PostPosted: 12:11 - 15 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

J.M. wrote:
It's not about the insurer, it's about the underwriter.

You might get insured by company A for your 125 but underwriter 1 is the one covering you. Company A also gave you a reasonable quote for a 600, but it would be covered by underwriter 2. You couldn't transfer the policy because they're with different companies. The only hope is that underwriter 1 also is willing to insure the 600 and it's at a reasonable price.

Personally I don't think there's any point in 125s now. The new licensing laws negated the need for anybody at A2 age to even think about getting a lower powered machine.

Wait, do the A2, get an A2 bike. Delayed gratification pays off!


As a result, you'd probably have less problems if Company A is the Underwriter (I don't know how common this is for motorbike insurance though)
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PostPosted: 14:16 - 15 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCE wanted unfeasible monies to go from a 125 to xv535, so switched, paid less money for new insurance. Pro rata refund.

Moved house, devitt wanted unfeasible money, gave me pro rata refund, no fees, very civil. New insurance was cheaper but different policy from same underwriter not available to devitt.

Just cancelled 535 insurance as policy is for old cruisers, broker giving me pro rata refund and beating comparison sites on a quotes for new bike. Refund for 535 going straight into new policy.

I smell a case of broker not sending proof of no claims to self coming up...
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PostPosted: 16:12 - 15 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

panaceasaurus wrote:
As a result, you'd probably have less problems if Company A is the Underwriter (I don't know how common this is for motorbike insurance though)


I don't know if that is ever really the case.

Imagine it's like buying a PlayStation, it's made by Sony. You could purchase it from either Amazon or Tesco, but you can't purchase it directly from Sony.

Sony deals with the creation of the product. Other companies manage the hassle of selling it to the consumers.

Insurance is very similar. The underwriter offers the actual product, but the customer doesn't get a chance to purchase direct. Instead you choose a broker that sells policies on behalf of the underwriter. You then deal with that broker for your queries.

The confusion lies in the fact that one broker may sell policies from several underwriters, meaning that you're able to insure an array of vehicles at a reasonable price. But imagine one underwriter specialises in 125s, they're going to hike the prices for other vehicles, or refuse to insure them, because they don't want to insure those vehicles. The same broker may give a reasonable price for the 600 because they can sell a policy from a different underwriter that specialises in commuter bikes. So in reality you're being offered products from two different companies, but by the same retailer.
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PostPosted: 16:27 - 15 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Superdreams underwriter was arriva before, and it is now.
Just different divisions.
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