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Wonko The Sane
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PostPosted: 10:41 - 15 Dec 2015    Post subject: Chain Monkey tension checker? Reply with quote

Anyone used one of these? https://www.tru-tension.com/motorcycle/

Is it actually any good, can be quite a faff with a tape measure behind the exhaust when checking my chain tension, often on an evening with just the patio light to work by.

Or is it just another gadget that doesn't really work?
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PostPosted: 10:45 - 15 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I never actually measure, I just give it a wiggle :S

You can generally "feel" if it is too slack or tight
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PostPosted: 10:46 - 15 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like a bit of a gimmick to me. I know my fingertip is an inch, so I judge the slack with that.
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PostPosted: 11:22 - 15 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure if a 'tool' can be considered as 'Snake Oil' but if it can then this is indeed snake oil.

Very complicated method of over-complicating a simple operation.

eg. What do they mean by "guess work"?

The only guess work would be guessing the OEM spec. or guessing what 25-35mm 'looks' like.

Call me old fashioned if you like but I would use the £22 quid for a 12 pack of piss.
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PostPosted: 11:23 - 15 Dec 2015    Post subject: Re: Chain Monkey tension checker? Reply with quote

Wonko The Sane wrote:
can be quite a faff with a tape measure behind the exhaust when checking my chain tension


That tool looks like even more of a faff though, turning a simple check and adjust into something more demanding than it really is. Plus, £25 is a lot of money for something that can be done by eye.

What bike do you ride that is so difficult to do the chain on?
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PostPosted: 11:30 - 15 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hang on, that trinket appears to introduce an absolute amount of slack dependent only on the vertical movement specified in the manual.

How does that take into account the length of the chain? Not the pitch, the distance between sprockets.

25mm of vertical movement in a short chain needs more slack than 25mm movement in a long one. But that gadget will give you the same amount of slack for either one.

Seems a bit 5-quarter-turns-in-a-circle.
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PostPosted: 11:38 - 15 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Put finger under chain. Move it.

Free. 2 second. Works on a ZZR. Have done before. Gimmick product is gimmick.
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PostPosted: 15:24 - 15 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

You might use this thing once them forget about it and use your finger wrapped in a piece of kitchen roll because you can't be arsed to find it, plus £23.00 will buy a new chain for smaller bikes. Gimmick, don't waste your dosh.
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PostPosted: 16:30 - 15 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

You'd need to calibrate it for each bike as the length of the chain varies between models. Do not want.
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PostPosted: 00:34 - 17 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Hang on, that trinket appears to introduce an absolute amount of slack dependent only on the vertical movement specified in the manual.

How does that take into account the length of the chain? Not the pitch, the distance between sprockets.

25mm of vertical movement in a short chain needs more slack than 25mm movement in a long one. But that gadget will give you the same amount of slack for either one.

Seems a bit 5-quarter-turns-in-a-circle.


^^^ This. If you imagine two right angle triangles in each of them hypotenuse is the chain, than this tool is doing 2 very small triangles as opposed to the ones created without the tool?

Imagine a triangle in which the vertical slack is the vertical cathetus, the hypotenuse is the chain and the long cathetus is the difference between the center of the chain and the point the chain touches the sprocket. The long cathetus = half of your sprocket distance.

Long story short this tool will introduce way more slack than needed, because if you have one very long cathetus (the difference between the center of the chain and the point the chain touches the sprocket) there will be very small difference between the long cathetus and the hypotenuse (the chain) in order ot have the same vertical slack (the short cathetus).

Here is the math:

say sprocket distance = 620mm so one of the imaginery right triangles long cathetus = 310mm (side b in the calculator below
say vertical slack = 35mm = short cathetus (side a in the calculator below)
https://www.csgnetwork.com/righttricalc.html
hypotenuse calculated from the above (chain) = 312mm

The same with the tool will be:

long cathetus in the tool only = 35mm
say vertical slack = 35mm
hypotenuse calculated from the above (chain captured in the tool only) = 49mm

So when you remove the tool you will introduce much more chain which will introduce much more vertical slack.
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PostPosted: 07:20 - 17 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Val wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
Hang on, that trinket appears to introduce an absolute amount of slack dependent only on the vertical movement specified in the manual.

How does that take into account the length of the chain? Not the pitch, the distance between sprockets.

25mm of vertical movement in a short chain needs more slack than 25mm movement in a long one. But that gadget will give you the same amount of slack for either one.

Seems a bit 5-quarter-turns-in-a-circle.


^^^ This. If you imagine two right angle triangles in each of them hypotenuse is the chain, than this tool is doing 2 very small triangles as opposed to the ones created without the tool?

Imagine a triangle in which the vertical slack is the vertical cathetus, the hypotenuse is the chain and the long cathetus is the difference between the center of the chain and the point the chain touches the sprocket. The long cathetus = half of your sprocket distance.

Long story short this tool will introduce way more slack than needed, because if you have one very long cathetus (the difference between the center of the chain and the point the chain touches the sprocket) there will be very small difference between the long cathetus and the hypotenuse (the chain) in order ot have the same vertical slack (the short cathetus).

Here is the math:

say sprocket distance = 620mm so one of the imaginery right triangles long cathetus = 310mm (side b in the calculator below
say vertical slack = 35mm = short cathetus (side a in the calculator below)
https://www.csgnetwork.com/righttricalc.html
hypotenuse calculated from the above (chain) = 312mm

The same with the tool will be:

long cathetus in the tool only = 35mm
say vertical slack = 35mm
hypotenuse calculated from the above (chain captured in the tool only) = 49mm

So when you remove the tool you will introduce much more chain which will introduce much more vertical slack.


Informative and interesting but I prefer the abridged version:

The monkeychaintool is a waste of money and effort.
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PostPosted: 07:46 - 17 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

My first thought, was they are only using the tool gimmick to set the chain initially - it provides no easy means of checking the tension periodically - so you still need to know how to do this yourself - which means that you don't need the tool gimmick anyway.

Most important things, are to make sure that the centre-lines of the front and rear sprockets line-up with the centre of the swing arm pivot...

[img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/439700/chnsag3.jpg[/img]

... and to check the slack in at least 4 positions along the chain's entire length.
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PostPosted: 11:26 - 17 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Taught2BCautious wrote:
My first thought, was they are only using the tool gimmick to set the chain initially - it provides no easy means of checking the tension periodically - so you still need to know how to do this yourself - which means that you don't need the tool gimmick anyway.

Most important things, are to make sure that the centre-lines of the front and rear sprockets line-up with the centre of the swing arm pivot...

[img]https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/439700/chnsag3.jpg[/img]

... and to check the slack in at least 4 positions along the chain's entire length.


Or keep the chain clean and properly lubricated and it won't wear too much.
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PostPosted: 17:30 - 17 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Specialist tool for job where perhaps a ruler is needed if not just a boot-toe?
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