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Hang on, that trinket appears to introduce an absolute amount of slack dependent only on the vertical movement specified in the manual.
How does that take into account the length of the chain? Not the pitch, the distance between sprockets.
25mm of vertical movement in a short chain needs more slack than 25mm movement in a long one. But that gadget will give you the same amount of slack for either one.
Seems a bit 5-quarter-turns-in-a-circle. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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| Rogerborg wrote: | Hang on, that trinket appears to introduce an absolute amount of slack dependent only on the vertical movement specified in the manual.
How does that take into account the length of the chain? Not the pitch, the distance between sprockets.
25mm of vertical movement in a short chain needs more slack than 25mm movement in a long one. But that gadget will give you the same amount of slack for either one.
Seems a bit 5-quarter-turns-in-a-circle. |
^^^ This. If you imagine two right angle triangles in each of them hypotenuse is the chain, than this tool is doing 2 very small triangles as opposed to the ones created without the tool?
Imagine a triangle in which the vertical slack is the vertical cathetus, the hypotenuse is the chain and the long cathetus is the difference between the center of the chain and the point the chain touches the sprocket. The long cathetus = half of your sprocket distance.
Long story short this tool will introduce way more slack than needed, because if you have one very long cathetus (the difference between the center of the chain and the point the chain touches the sprocket) there will be very small difference between the long cathetus and the hypotenuse (the chain) in order ot have the same vertical slack (the short cathetus).
Here is the math:
say sprocket distance = 620mm so one of the imaginery right triangles long cathetus = 310mm (side b in the calculator below
say vertical slack = 35mm = short cathetus (side a in the calculator below)
https://www.csgnetwork.com/righttricalc.html
hypotenuse calculated from the above (chain) = 312mm
The same with the tool will be:
long cathetus in the tool only = 35mm
say vertical slack = 35mm
hypotenuse calculated from the above (chain captured in the tool only) = 49mm
So when you remove the tool you will introduce much more chain which will introduce much more vertical slack. ____________________ Adrian Monk: Unless I'm wrong, which, you know, I'm not...
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My first thought, was they are only using the tool gimmick to set the chain initially - it provides no easy means of checking the tension periodically - so you still need to know how to do this yourself - which means that you don't need the tool gimmick anyway.
Most important things, are to make sure that the centre-lines of the front and rear sprockets line-up with the centre of the swing arm pivot...
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... and to check the slack in at least 4 positions along the chain's entire length. ____________________ Honda Varadero XL125(V8)
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