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PostPosted: 23:31 - 16 Dec 2015    Post subject: Backyard Chickens! Reply with quote

Hi, I have it seems agreed to rehouse 4 Chickens from a house futher up the estate due to there owner starting to neglect them.

They have kindly offered to dismantle, transport and re-errect both coops and sort out everything for me, to be fair I don't want this to be bashing them because they wanted the chicks to be happy and new they weren't doing the greatest for them.

I have done masses of internet reading and video watching, I have wanted Chickens since last year but the start up costs have been an issue.

I would value any advice.

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PostPosted: 23:40 - 16 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cordon off an area or accept total destruction of your garden.
Expect one to die without reason.
Expect one to always get out.
Unless they are young don't expect many eggs.

They have brilliant characters.

Don't hold them at eye level.
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PostPosted: 00:00 - 17 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

They have a very set routine in line with the sun and seasonal patterns.
Very individual personalities.
Google the british hen or fowl or chicken society.
They will wreck a flowerbed in an hour or two.
But marvellous little critters.
And all as the other guy above said.

They'll not wander fer from the coup. Foxes and some cats and dogs may be a threat.
Keep the coup and house clean to help prevent fowl type disease.
The forum vet could advise better.
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PostPosted: 09:52 - 17 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

They will generally cost more to feed/house than they produce unless you have larger numbers and will destroy any garden they get into. So only go into this for the experience of having them.

If you give them names, they will eventually cost you a fortune in vets bills. So decide if they are farm animals or pets. The difference is, a farm animal (or group of fram animals) gets treated up to its/their replacement value. A pet gets treated up to the limit of acceptable welfare.

Beware of adding more chickens to your group that may be carrying diseases. If you really want to add more to your group, a good and rewarding way to do it is to buy a cheap incubator and fertilised eggs off ebay and hatch your own (remember 50% will be cocks and probably want necking/eating as soon as you realise/they are big enough if you want to stay friendly with your neighbours).

Beware of re-homing "retired" battery hens, they can be carrying all sorts of respiratory diseases. I've seen people loose all their chickens this way.

They will eat pretty much anything you'd put in your household compost bin, especially greens, and their egg quality will be all the better for it. Swap caterpillar-infested cabbages from your neighbours allotments for eggs.

Mr Fox LOVES chicken.
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PostPosted: 10:12 - 17 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
They will generally cost more to feed/house than they produce unless you have larger numbers and will destroy any garden they get into. So only go into this for the experience of having them.


I read a wee bit on the £2.00 chook the other day there.
I couldn't imagine how it is 'humanely' possible to rear a chicken from egg to supermarket shelf for £2.00 Forgetting the marketing and transport.

https://www.tesco.com/groceries/product/details/?id=277867644&gclid=CIPwtpPT4skCFSUewwodzEQAtA&gclsrc=aw.ds

What is in it?

I think there is a figure of about £8.00 + the odds to rear a bird to potting size. I assume that's free range with minimal supplement to diet.

I kept chickens a few years ago for the eggs and the pot.
The eggs were great due to the varied and supplemented diet they had but it's difficult when it gets to pot time when the little bastirts become 'family'. Smile
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PostPosted: 10:20 - 17 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

My mum kept chickens for years. I shall look down on you with scorn if, at least once, you don't stand with one perched on your forearm (like some grand falcon) while you throw out quotes from Ladyhawke.

Also, look forward to rats.

The hardest part can often be getting neighbours to accept that the gentle clucking of happy hens is not annoying. Fortunately your neighbours may already be used to it.
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PostPosted: 10:25 - 17 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a friend with chickens about 7 years ago, she became really attached almost instantly (they're just chickens to me but she saw them all as individual characters).

The foxes got at them twice in the first two weeks, despite properly re-enforcing the coop after the first time. They had one tattered hen left from around half a dozen.

Cue one properly distraught friend.
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PostPosted: 10:30 - 17 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you know what type of animals I've got, you'll know I can't enough of birds!

I would really like some chickens in the future but before I do, I have a lot of gardening to do to get rid of shit loads of bushes and such.

Honestly, I would have half of my land for an aviary and then the rest for a run for chickens and other fowl.

Then I'd quite my job and live happily ever after ...
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PostPosted: 10:49 - 17 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

DrSnoosnoo wrote:

I would really like some chickens in the future but before I do, I have a lot of gardening to do to get rid of shit loads of bushes and such.


Chickens love ground cover. Both to eat and run around in, they are originally jungle birds. Build your pen round the bushes. Kill two birds with one stone, within a month there will be no living, green plants in it.

One of the most welfare friendly ways I've ever seen of raising commercial poultry were free-range turkeys in France. They kept them in a field of maize surrounded by secure fencing and occasionally chopped down a row of the maize for them to eat. They were free to run ofrf into the dense vegitation if they felt threatened, or nosy at passing cyclists. Happy and secure.
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PostPosted: 11:05 - 17 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

DrSnoosnoo wrote:
If you know what type of animals I've got, you'll know I can't enough of birds!

I would really like some chickens in the future but before I do, I have a lot of gardening to do to get rid of shit loads of bushes and such.

Honestly, I would have half of my land for an aviary and then the rest for a run for chickens and other fowl.

Then I'd quite my job and live happily ever after ...


As stinkers says, fence off a section you want 'cleared' the chooks will do the rest.
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PostPosted: 11:48 - 17 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stinkwheel/MCN.

That is brilliant. Where I live the garden tends off into a sort valley, that's there for water run off, supposedly.

There's loads of green bush/shrubbery kind of stuff down 2/3s of my garden so I suppose it'll be good for me to just get a boundary set up to be able to keep them from running away and leave them to it.

It'd be easier to sell the idea to the missus now.

I'll have to approach the neighbours though. They already have to deal with the "Golden Conure morning and evening shoutfest" and then my other birds general shouting at me if they think I'm leaving them by going into the kitchen. So they may or may not appreciate outside cluckers but I suppose it's only the cocks that are bellends and super loud ?
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PostPosted: 11:51 - 17 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Our old neighbours (last property) had 3 chickens. Unfortunately the woman was a bit of a PETA mentalist and refused to get their wings clipped, so almost inevitably they ended up over the 6ft fence and in our garden. Cue a few annoying visits to round up their animals in our garden.

I must admit that I was happy they were around, seemed to keep the slug population down a bit. Just a shame that they got rid of them after a few months as their garden was destroyed. I'm also very glad there wasn't a cockerel in the group..
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PostPosted: 12:02 - 17 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Expect one of them to decide that some inaccessible spot under a bush, behind your shed etc. is a great place to lay eggs.

They are nosy and inquisitive and like to look through the patio doors to see what you are doing. If you don't want chicken crap all over the patio fence it off.

Once they are used to you they will follow you around. They love it when you dig the garden/weed the flower beds and turn the soil over digging around for bugs.

They live longer than you may think.
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PostPosted: 12:59 - 17 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of my chickens (Beryl) used to sit on my shoulder while I did stuff like mow the grass.

Hours of fun pretending to be a poverty level pirate (can't afford a parrot, got a chicken, arrr, etc.)
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PostPosted: 13:39 - 17 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

pdg wrote:
One of my chickens (Beryl) used to sit on my shoulder while I did stuff like mow the grass.

Hours of fun pretending to be a poverty level pirate (can't afford a parrot, got a chicken, arrr, etc.)


I have a chicken called Beryl too.

Some chickens make a LOT of noise when they want to lay, have laid, when another chicken wants to lay too. Some days I scuttle out of the road, glowing with embarrassment while Beryl squawks the eggs song at the top of her gob!
One of mine is practically silent the other shouts for a minute to let us know she laid and that's it.

Rats! I meshed the base of the run to stop them digging in.
This year a pregnant rat moved in. Dropped 5 or 6 babies and moved on.
My chickens have free range of the garden in the day. Leaving the run open.
A couple of the 'babies', now fully grown are still here! I'm a softy and find killing them distasteful. Poison is a horrible way to watch a rat die Sad
I did trap and relocate one, but have a mission to complete!

I never leave food down overnight, and currently feed the chickens high up in the run.

My girls DO NOT lay over winter. In fact one gave up in July this year, one in August, the other went until October before closing the bomb doors. They usually start up again in February.

I also had my first broody chicken this year, That was fun! NOT!

If they have free range, beware the chicken shit. Some turds can be as big as the eggs. some smell exceptionally. Chicken with shitty feet jumping on your shoulder is such a joy!

I've been pecked in the eye, and still have a foreign object, that irritates occasionally, in my left eye. It's been there 'bout 2 years now!
I think she was going for my eyebrow bar, rather than trying to blind me.

When they blow all their feathers (moult). It's like an explosion of feathers. One day you see one or 2, then a naked chicken and what looks like a pillow fight Smile

Despite the downers, they are cool to have around though.
They practically purr in the sun when bathing. They trill at you if they think you have something for them. They will even knock the door for attention.

They ate all the tadpoles in the pond. They try and eat the fish food, before the fish do!
They mutilate frogs and play bashy bashy stretch with them.
They escape and galavant around the neighbours garden.

My eggs are probably down to £1 an egg now Smile comparing cost of set up, 4 years of ownership and feeding.
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PostPosted: 14:25 - 17 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

hedgehugger wrote:
I also had my first broody chicken this year, That was fun! NOT! ...


I just had a little read and saw the mention of broody. You say it's not fun. What actually is it? What happens?
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PostPosted: 14:39 - 17 Dec 2015    Post subject: Re: Backyard Chickens! Reply with quote

stephen_o wrote:


I would value any advice.

Stephen


Unless you really want them I'd say no.
Most likely they will inexplicably die or get killed by foxes or dogs.
An alternative scenario they actually thrive and curiously increase in number - and it all gets a bit out of control.
There are two houses in the village here were taken in by the delights of small scale hen keeping, and in both cases it ended badly with arguments about them scratching up neighbour's gardens.
On the plus side you could use them as a good excuse for a shed.
It would be amazing if it actually had hens in it for more than 12 months.
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PostPosted: 14:40 - 17 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

DrSnoosnoo wrote:
I just had a little read and saw the mention of broody. You say it's not fun. What actually is it? What happens?


It's when they become all maternal and decide to try and hatch a clutch of eggs, even if they have not been fertilised. They sit on the eggs in the nest box and refuse to move. They can get aggressive (with you trying to move them) and sometimes peck their own feathers out. Can last for weeks.
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PostPosted: 14:48 - 17 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

hedgehugger wrote:
Some chickens make a LOT of noise when they want to lay, have laid

My eggs are probably down to £1 an egg now Smile comparing cost of set up, 4 years of ownership and feeding.


Egg Size.

I saw an egg producer on t' telly who said 'he would not buy large or extra large eggs. He said the chickens aren't that much bigger and the large eggs cause them too much stress.'

There must be some egg production that is noisier than others.

£1/egg is still cheap when you consider the cot of petrol to go to ASDA for one. Smile

Edit: Re eggs. Chickens can lay eggs whether they've been pumped by the rooster or not. (You don't even need a rooster)
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PostPosted: 15:05 - 17 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt B wrote:
It's when they become all maternal and decide to try and hatch a clutch of eggs, even if they have not been fertilised. They sit on the eggs in the nest box and refuse to move. They can get aggressive (with you trying to move them) and sometimes peck their own feathers out. Can last for weeks.


Boo! My golden conures did this with a failed egg last year. She pulled the males feathers out shortly after we took the dead egg away.
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PostPosted: 15:22 - 17 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mate has 3 hens, gets way too many eggs and loves them.

Funniest thing watching his German Shepherd rounding them up when they are running free in the garden. Laughing

And I don't know why, but his hens eggs taste much better than supermarket ones.

I wouldn't mind them but the missus loves her garden flowers and chickens and flowers don't mix.
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PostPosted: 15:52 - 17 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

DrSnoosnoo wrote:
hedgehugger wrote:
I also had my first broody chicken this year, That was fun! NOT! ...


I just had a little read and saw the mention of broody. You say it's not fun. What actually is it? What happens?


The chicken in question, Ruby, decided (or her hormones did) that she wanted to not just lay, but raise a brood. I have no cockerel. There are some in the village that call out, maybe they triggered her, I have no idea.

She basically moved into the nestbox, and refused to budge, for weeks! It was boiling hot outside (middle of summer) she was red hot inside when sitting, incubation mode, I took her egg daily when it was laid. She wasn't sitting on a clutch, just an empty nest. I was going to leave her to it, until she came back to her senses, but she was barely eating/drinking, lost a lot of weight. So we decided to intervene. I took the lid off the nest box so it would be cooler, lighter, more exposed. I would lift her out and try to distract her from going back in and sitting. Eventually I had to lock the coop to keep her out. It took quite a long time to break the broodiness. Took a couple of months for her to lay again. She is an excellent layer normally. All back to normal now. Smile

If it happened again I would intervene asap.
I have 3 chickens, got them @ 6 weeks old in June 2011. only one has gone broody, just the once, so far.
They didn't lay their first egg until Feb 2012, most chickens apparently start laying around 20 weeks, Bollocks! Smile
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PostPosted: 16:01 - 17 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the tips and stories.

2 questions.

- My garden has steps down to the lawn area, will they negotiate this or fly around it?
- How are they with ponds and fish? I have a pond with 5 goldfish in and resident frogs. I have read elsewhere that they may eat frogspawn but the pond is netted to stop the fish being attacked by birds and cats.
Thanks for the tips about the shed, my shed is derelict and the land falls away under it so there may be a nice couple of hidy holes I will have to keep an eye on until its replaced.
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PostPosted: 16:10 - 17 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frogs you say.... Laughing
Frogs you once had.

They will eat anything they 'think' they can swallow.
Steps will be no obstacle.

If not already mentioned then ensure they can get out of wet and windy weather.

Wear a dust mask when cleaning them out. The dust and bloom from their plumage is nasty for lungs.
Those large kitchen scissors are good enough for clipping their 'flight' feathers. No need to go berserk.
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PostPosted: 19:17 - 17 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're clipping wings, take three or four of the primary flight feathers out of ONE wing in a "window" make sure they are cut through a part of the shaft with no blood in it.

Then chuck them in the air and make sure they can flutter down without getting too much lift. if you think they are too airborne, take out a bigger window.

The aim is to disrupt flight (such as it is) without removing the ability to escape predators or safely descend from a height.

It needs re-doing after each moult.
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