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PostPosted: 23:03 - 18 Dec 2015    Post subject: Yamaha recalling every 2015 R1 and R1M worldwide Reply with quote

Turns out the gearboxes are made of cheese and the oil falls out.

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Dear Yamaha Owner:

This notice is sent to you in accordance with the requirements of the National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act. Yamaha Motor Corporation, U.S.A. has decided that a defect which relates to motor vehicle safety exists in all 2015 YZF‐R1 motorcycles. Our records indicate that you own the affected motorcycle shown above.

The reason for this recall:

In affected motorcycles, both second gear wheel and pinion gears in the transmission may break as a result of extremely high stress and/or improper shifting. This is due to inadequate component strength and stress concentration at the gear teeth bottom land. In addition, the third and fourth wheel gears may be deformed or break as a result of excessive stress caused by hard usage. This is due to inadequate component strength. If gears fail, the transmission could lock up, causing loss of control that could result in a crash with injury or death.

What Yamaha and your dealer will do:

To correct this defect, your authorized Yamaha dealer will replace the transmission assembly with one that includes gears of a different design. The procedure takes almost 16 hours to do but be aware that your Yamaha dealer may need to keep your motorcycle longer depending upon their current service schedule.There will be no charge to you for this procedure.

What you should do now:

Please call your Yamaha dealer to make a service appointment to have this procedure performed. At that same time, you can find out how long they expect to keep your motorcycle for this service. Remember to take this letter with you when you take in your motorcycle.

You should not ride your affected motorcycle shown above until this modification is performed.


According to the recall letter, the fix for each bike will take 16 hours Shocked . They're also saying owners shouldn't ride the bike until it's been done.

Maybe BMW can give them some advice on mass superbike recalls Razz
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PostPosted: 09:01 - 19 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

How many of these would have been sold in the UK?
Sounds expensive and not something you'd want to ignore.
There must have been a number of documented failures.
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PostPosted: 11:00 - 19 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's the classic Yamaha second gear failure. Apparently 2nd gear can shatter/break and the resulting bits then whizz around the gearbox, hopefully got locking anything. They're also replacing 3rd and 4th and they're a bit dodgey too.

No cassette gearbox in the R1/R1M means it's a bit of a ball ache for them.
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PostPosted: 11:04 - 19 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wafer_Thin_Ham wrote:
It's the classic Yamaha second gear failure.


Or, the classic Yamaha rider destroying the second gear as they can't shift properly but think they're Rossi.
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PostPosted: 11:48 - 19 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why, of course I'd like a dealer monkey to spend two full days hammering away at a complicated modern engine trying to undo and redo work that a robot initially did to half-a-ball-hair tolerances. I can't see any way that anything could possibly go wrong during that extended process that would introduce a slew of new problems. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 12:00 - 19 Dec 2015    Post subject: Re: Yamaha recalling every 2015 R1 and R1M worldwide Reply with quote

Vracktal wrote:
Turns out the gearboxes are made of cheese and the oil falls out.

Quote:
Dear Yamaha Owner:

This notice is sent to you in accordance with the requirements of the National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act. Yamaha Motor Corporation, U.S.A. has decided that a defect which relates to motor vehicle safety exists in all 2015 YZF‐R1 motorcycles. Our records indicate that you own the affected motorcycle shown above.

The reason for this recall:

In affected motorcycles, both second gear wheel and pinion gears in the transmission may break as a result of extremely high stress and/or improper shifting. This is due to inadequate component strength and stress concentration at the gear teeth bottom land. In addition, the third and fourth wheel gears may be deformed or break as a result of excessive stress caused by hard usage. This is due to inadequate component strength. If gears fail, the transmission could lock up, causing loss of control that could result in a crash with injury or death.

What Yamaha and your dealer will do:

To correct this defect, your authorized Yamaha dealer will replace the transmission assembly with one that includes gears of a different design. The procedure takes almost 16 hours to do but be aware that your Yamaha dealer may need to keep your motorcycle longer depending upon their current service schedule.There will be no charge to you for this procedure.

What you should do now:

Please call your Yamaha dealer to make a service appointment to have this procedure performed. At that same time, you can find out how long they expect to keep your motorcycle for this service. Remember to take this letter with you when you take in your motorcycle.

You should not ride your affected motorcycle shown above until this modification is performed.


According to the recall letter, the fix for each bike will take 16 hours Shocked . They're also saying owners shouldn't ride the bike until it's been done.

Maybe BMW can give them some advice on mass superbike recalls Razz


Far be for me to 'Big Up' BMW but BMW are not the only bike maker who have recalled their shite.

https://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-top-10s/top-10-biggest-bike-recalls/25920.html

The Japs excel at the game. Smile
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PostPosted: 13:31 - 19 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love recalls, Ford did a recall on all Explorers worldwide because of the crappy tyres, so I got a brand new set for free just as my existing set were at the end of their life Very Happy
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PostPosted: 14:48 - 19 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Recalls are part and parcel of the business. It's not that manufacturers have recalls, it's how they deal with it.

Triumph did a recall on all their 1215 engines in the Tiger Explorer and Trophy range. All bikes went back to Hinkley for new cylinder heads, it wasn't done by the dealers. I had both a Trophy and an Explorer then, Explorer was away a week, Trophy 2 weeks. I had the choice of any demonstrator while my bike was away. Thumbs Up

Triumph were superb. Hopefully Yamaha will be good as well.
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PostPosted: 15:54 - 19 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
Recalls are part and parcel of the business. It's not that manufacturers have recalls, it's how they deal with it.

Triumph did a recall on all their 1215 engines in the Tiger Explorer and Trophy range. All bikes went back to Hinkley for new cylinder heads, it wasn't done by the dealers. I had both a Trophy and an Explorer then, Explorer was away a week, Trophy 2 weeks. I had the choice of any demonstrator while my bike was away. Thumbs Up

Triumph were superb. Hopefully Yamaha will be good as well.


Recalls are a Money Making Scam.
Manufacturers save money on quality control by making things averagely standard and then spending a minimum on looking after recalls.
If you sell millions and have a small % of Friday Items then you make a killing. (no pun intended)
Apart from VW and GM Very Happy

The biggest concern is that recalls only seem to address 'safety related issues'.
They don't give a fart about build/finish quality if it is going to cost money. Mad
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PostPosted: 18:25 - 19 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Many years ago I bought a new Triumph 500 Daytona. I picked it up on the saturday and me'nd 'er rode up to the Midlands from SW London and on the way back we called in at the service dept at Meriden (you could do that in those days) because of a creaking noise at the rear of the bike. The service bloke said "While you're here I'll get one of our testers give it a try up the road". He came back after a few minutes and said "Don't worry about the creak, your 'mains' have gone" meaning the crankshaft main bearings were 'rumbling', the bike was booked-in to have the job done. As my then missus worked at a BSA/Triumph dealership she then found out that Triumph knew all about these bearings on initial assembly, the running clearances between the tracks were the wrong spec but rather than stop 'the build' they decided to carry on production and deal with the repairs and complaints as and when. What a bloody 'tin-pot' outfit, producing and exporting bikes knowing they were faulty from the word 'go'. On the ride back down to London some weeks later, in the dark, the RH exhaust pipe was glowing red-hot so I had to creep back at 30/40mph, because the ignition was 'set-up' all over the place. The Japanese didn't 'steal' the British bike industry, Britain threw it at them, we were producing rubbish.
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PostPosted: 18:29 - 19 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yamaha. Proudly discouraging second gear wheelies since 1987.
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PostPosted: 19:21 - 19 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ed Case wrote:
they decided to carry on production and deal with the repairs and complaints as and when.

Well, Triumph appear to be top of the recall pops again, so you can't accuse them of neglecting tradition.

I do wonder how many dev engineers there are at all these companies saying "Told you so." Probably about the same number of middle managers saying "I have no recollection of that conversation."
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PostPosted: 21:29 - 19 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

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The biggest concern is that recalls only seem to address 'safety related issues'.
They don't give a fart about build/finish quality if it is going to cost money. Mad


That's too much of a generalisation.

The cylinder head recall from Triumph was because some got rattley at around 20000 miles. No safety issue involved. They had to address it though, new engine on their flagship bikes.
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PostPosted: 07:01 - 20 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
MCN wrote:


The biggest concern is that recalls only seem to address 'safety related issues'.
They don't give a fart about build/finish quality if it is going to cost money. Mad


That's too much of a generalisation.

The cylinder head recall from Triumph was because some got rattley at around 20000 miles. No safety issue involved. They had to address it though, new engine on their flagship bikes.


It's not really generalisation.
Product recalls are predomunantly due to product safety and customers are notified to offset liabilities of tje OEM.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Product_recall
Product Improvement Plans are a different market related issue. Where an OEM decides to improve a part due to reputation or because of too many warranty repair costs.
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PostPosted: 08:51 - 20 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Why, of course I'd like a dealer monkey to spend two full days hammering away at a complicated modern engine trying to undo and redo work that a robot initially did to half-a-ball-hair tolerances. I can't see any way that anything could possibly go wrong during that extended process that would introduce a slew of new problems. Rolling Eyes


It's fine. They'll probably get the apprentice to do it. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 09:17 - 20 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wafer_Thin_Ham wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
Why, of course I'd like a dealer monkey to spend two full days hammering away at a complicated modern engine trying to undo and redo work that a robot initially did to half-a-ball-hair tolerances. I can't see any way that anything could possibly go wrong during that extended process that would introduce a slew of new problems. Rolling Eyes


It's fine. They'll probably get the apprentice to do it. Thumbs Up


That's a bit harsh Sir.
How else ate they going to learn? Shocked
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PostPosted: 23:49 - 20 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

all the rectifier regulator problems with the triumph 675, and ABS pumps were japanese parts

mine was recalled as the bolts holding the wiring clamps around the headstock had no threadlock on, they could have come loose and they would have hit the fork leg impeding steering. And the front brake hose clamp on the mudguard was made taller, to stop the hose rubbing the mudguard, it's a braided steel hose so would have worn through the mudguard before the hose failed
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PostPosted: 00:08 - 21 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glad I sold mine! Shocked
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PostPosted: 11:31 - 23 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

at least buyers will get a new bike Smile
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PostPosted: 12:24 - 26 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a PITA

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PostPosted: 20:39 - 28 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Howling Terror wrote:


well we know where the 16 hours goes.

It'll take fucking ages to get all those bags open!
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PostPosted: 20:42 - 28 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

I has YZF 6 speed box in the fzr and another yzf box in a, erm, box.

Should I be concerned?
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PostPosted: 21:46 - 28 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
I has YZF 6 speed box in the fzr and another yzf box in a, erm, box.

Should I be concerned?


No. Laughing
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PostPosted: 10:40 - 29 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Howling Terror wrote:

How many bits are you expected to have left over when you're done? Thinking
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PostPosted: 22:39 - 29 Dec 2015    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

How many bits are you expected to have left over when you're done? Thinking


Eleventy!
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