Resident parking permit -

[PaulDillon]

I live in a block of flats with an underground car park which is policed by some private parking Nazis. I leave my bikes in my allocated parking space but I don't have my resident permit displayed because I paid for three of them and they all got nicked within a couple of weeks. There is just no way to secure it to the bike in a way which would actually prevent someone else taking it off. I have no idea if they disappeared while the bikes were here or somewhere else. Now I have got parking tickets on all three bikes for not displaying permits. Ok, technically I am guilty but does anyone ever appeal this sort of thing and win?

cheers
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[Alpineandy]

I bought a flat a while back and the previous tenant didn't leave the parking permits. I emailed the Management company saying that I didn't have the permits but would be parking reg no XXX & YYY. They passed the numbers on to the parking Nazis and I was OK.
I'd guess because you haven't told them the reg numbers in advance that your on a loser...
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[Rogerborg]

Much better asking over at https://forums.pepipoo.com/

Did you get crime numbers for the thefts? Did you bawww to the building management or the parking ghouls about the lack of security? If not, well, hindsight is 20:20.
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[conker]

I've had something similar, though my permit was there, the parking prats was confused that it wasn't in the windscreen and that my car only has 2 wheels.

I've had tickets and debt collection letters from them, I complained but they said there was nothing they could do and that I still had to pay, I told them the only way I would be paying is if ordered to do so in court.

On one of their emails, they'd accidentally included an attachment that was a screenshot of an email :S that email had an address for one of the admin staff. I took to sending him a timestamped photo of my permit every day as pre-emptive proof of the permit (excel parking) until he finally got fed up and asked me to stop bothering him. I've not had another ticket or debt collection letter for around 3 weeks now.

Maybe you could get another permit and keep it locked away at home and just send them a daily photo?

[Tierbirdy]

Assuming its a private parking company?

Ignore them and tell them to jog-on! They cant get a penny out of you without taking you to court, their "Parking tickets" are basically speculative invoices, they fire out billions in the hope that most people will see the scary pseudo-legal sounding mumbo jumbo and pay up out of fear. Contrary to what they say the fines will not be put on your credit history, they cant send anyone round to collect payment or anything like that unless they take you to court and get a court order to do so. Which they wont do.

A quick googley shows that private parking tickets are essentially unenforceable because no company wants to risk taking someone to court and losing, which will set a legal precedent for people not having to pay their "fines".

Not that I'd condone it, but I've got a significant stack of unpaid private parking tickets from various companies. Ive got 7 alone from Tesco when I was working there and they didnt put my car on the ANPR system for carpark for a week! If you ignore them long enough, they'll go away. Dont engage in any contact at all with them.

If youve got proof of ordering the residents permits that'll be enough to get you off the hook if they take you to court over it... which they wont.

[Rogerborg]

[Tierbirdy]

Seems my info is a bit out of date then! Whoops.

[Suntan Sid]

The advice on Pepipoo is usually "Check your lease"!

What is written in the terms of your lease trumps anything a private parking company may want you to believe.
Check your lease carefully, if there is no mention of "displaying" a permit on your vehicle, the you can, quite rightly, tell them to jog on.

You also need to see the parking cowboys contract.
If it mentions keeping the car park "secure", I'd be of the opinion that they are not fulfilling their part of the contract, (given that your permits have been stolen), I'd be wanting to know why they are allowing theft to go undected!

As said up thread, given you're a resident, surely they should know your registration(s), but that's not what this is about, it's about these parasites extracting money from the residents and sod all to do with parking management!
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[PaulDillon]

There is some great advice here - thank you to everyone who has contributed (and I would like a pint of whatever 'Ste' has been drinking). I have decided that I am not going to pay this. The pepipoo forum seems to have cases where people have refused and got away with it, I also intend to use some free legal advice that came with my Bike Insurance. I will post back the results of it all, good or bad, so others can learn from it. Cheers
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[Suntan Sid]

[PaulDillon]

Hi, I haven't looked in there yet but I have to admit that the rule that says that each vehicle must display a valid permit is clearly posted on the walls inside the underground garage so I am in breach of the rules. But the spaces are allocated to the individual flats and my bikes are in my space so I am determined not to pay. The rules exist to stop people parking here who don't live here and to stop the residents stealing each other's spaces. My case is neither of those making their action somewhat frivolous. There is also the issue that they have no powers to fine me, they are just issuing me with an invoice which is not allowed to exceed their reasonable and legitimate costs. So three £100 tickets even discounted to £60 each is still £180 and that is about £180 more than I am willing to give these bastards. I am banking on telling them to sue me in the small claims court, if they do I cannot be made to pay more than the original amount as costs are not allowable in the Small Claims Court. If they lose I will use social media to try to ensure that nobody ever pays one of their tickets again without a court case. I am sure they will back down but we will see.
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[Rogerborg]

[PaulDillon]

you offer very good advice and I intend to take it. I am just raging on here. If they refuse my appeal I will see if my free legal advice with my Bike insurance are willing to help out. Like you said - it's not worth me running out there and parading my 'semi'. Cheers
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[Rogerborg]

I'm raging on your behalf.

It's not that I don't want you to fight, it's that I want you to win.
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[Suntan Sid]

[PaulDillon]

Unfortunately the Building Management company invited the Parking Nazis to monitor the carpark.
Also I don't know where my bikes actually were when the permits went missing? they could have been nicked at any time anywhere that I left the bikes.
thanks anyway
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[Suntan Sid]

[PaulDillon]

I haven't been there all that long so the arrangement was in place long before I got there. The signs are all clearly visible as well, saying that all vehicles need to display a valid pass.

I'm still not paying them though, I'm going to 'stick it to the man' (whatever that means)
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[iooi]

[PaulDillon]

Hi,
the permits are about 10 cm square and in laminated plastic so there is nothing I could use like an old tax disc holder. I like the idea of the sign on the wall with a copy of the permit and the reg number of the bikes though. I might ask them if they would be willing to go for that.. Good idea! Cheers
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[Suntan Sid]

You could resolve this matter, one way or the other, by, carefully, reading your lease, (you must have a copy, surely).
Ten minutes reading could save you a lot of fannying around.
If it's in your favour you can tell the "Parking Management Co.", , to do one.

You are the leaseholder of the parking space, which, AFAIK, means the "Parking Management Co." can FRO!
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[arry]

I'd doubt the lease to be that carefully written and we have no idea whether he's the lease holder or the sub lessee and what the freeholders terms to the leaseholder actually are

[Suntan Sid]

[Suntan Sid]

Have a look at this:-

https://forums.pepipoo.com/lofiversion/index.php/t102441.html

Sounds familiar!
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