Staggered 'give ways' with 2 bollards

[Ame]

Merry Christmas BCF


I need some advice about those staggered 'S' 'Give Way' [I suppose for speed control] you meet with around built up estates.

On a bike,can you ignore these and use the cycle lane that is between the curb and the outside of the bollard [obviously only if I have the 'ROW' and no cyclist] ??
I've met these a few times where drivers coming from the opposite way dont 'give way' and I've had to use the outside just to avoid a collision [now I never takes these for granted,by the way!]

I cant find about this in the HCode,so maybe someone might have a link to this procedure,or just an opinion,maybe?


Cheers

[UrbanRacer]

[wristjob]

lets pick the nuts out of this.
so in areas where there is traffic calming,give way to oncoming traffic etc.
you think its ok to hit the cycle lane?
on a staying alive note if you are on a bike do you want to be in the right and in hospital or slow down to let some cock ignore road markings?
this is a very easy question to answer .

[Ame]

[quote="wristjob"]lets pick the nuts out of this.
so in areas where there is traffic calming,give way to oncoming traffic etc.
you think its ok to hit the cycle lane?
on a staying alive note if you are on a bike do you want to be in the right and in hospital or slow down to let some cock ignore road markings?
[/quote]this is a very easy question to answer .[/quote].

i obviously slow down in anticipation of them not giving way.I asked whether it was legal to use the cycle 'gap' [its not even a lane] just large enough for a bike,so as to continue straight on when a car is already in the ' S' or looks as if he's not gonna give way,you know the type.[/quote]

[Pete.]

[c_dug]

Don't know about legalities, but I'd be tempted to do the same to be fair. It's not dangerous, and doesn't impede anybody else. Morally I see nothing wrong with it (and that counts for way more than the law does unless there's a cuntstable in the vicinity IMO).
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[J4mes]

Got a street view of the area you mean?

Think I'd be tempted to do th same if not doing so would mean feet down/engine off/time to make a brew kinds of waits.

[dydey90]

A bike is classed as a bicycle on the V5... Just saying.
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[andyscooter]

not sure how legal it is but I have done it in the past

not at stupid speeds though

also wouldn't do it with a copper behind me either
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[GTR1400]

I assume the OP means something similar to the below. IMO if the road is wide enough to comfortably accommodate a car (or whatever vehicle currently has right of way) and a bike, then why not. I do agree that it's likely to draw attention, but in most scenarios it'd be perfectly safe to use the cycle lane. Legality may be a different story, I'm sure somebody will know more (solid lines/red marked cycle lanes?) and share their wisdom.

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[trevor saxe-coburg-gotha]

Don't do it on test is probably quite good advice.
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[Evil Hans]

[Ste]

Why would you want to use the cycle lane?

On the very short cycle lanes you'll find leaves, general road dirt, probably some litter, maybe some small bits of glass and who knows what else.

"A bike is classed as a bicycle on the V5... Just saying. "

So? That doesn't mean it's any less of a bad idea.

[techathy]

As Evil Hans said, passing to the left of the keep right arrow would be a offence. There is no TRO which could cover an on-road cycle lane bordered by a dashed white line, though if theres a solid white line on the outward feeder then an offence would be committed. A solid white line across the bypass would be an interesting one as there's not enough lane width to actually differentiate between a solid line & a dashed one confirming to the relevant standards of the RTA.

This type of 'junction' has one of the highest collision rates for cyclists - they get hit by the nearside front bumper of cars pulling back into the left hand lane. So ironically this prevents the one vehicle type which can safely use the bypass from using it as a biker can get away from the danger merging area much more quickly than a cyclist.

[monkeybiker]

[Vracktal]

When I used to deliver pizzas, I used to do it on the moped all the time. Now i'm riding a bike with my name to it, I wait.
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[Ame]

[quote="J4mes"]Got a street view of the area you mean?

Think I'd be tempted to do th same if not doing so would mean feet down/engine off/time to make a brew kinds of waits.[/quote]


Thanks

and of course i should of used a screen shot,i'd forgotten about that,so here is one.
And also I did think of the V5 description,'bycicle' hh.

This is what I mean:to avoid feet down time in a Q,say...
I'm talking second gear and about as fast a pushbike would do it.And not all the time,i actually like going thru them [as you do],I'm not deliberately trying to avoid them,or having to avoid 'giving way',simply to keep things moving along thats,all....And im obviously not doing it when the oncoming is pulling right at the beginning of his turn!
I mean when you see it turning back in to the left,[actually in the 'S'] as you are out of there before the other Vehicle has completed it anyway...And im on about the quiet situation presented here,not all of these,but they all seem to be in these situation,as they're to stop racing in residential areas of course.
But.......Back to the Q I originally asked:
Is it legal?? [or not!]....
I cant find any reference to this in the HCode,and I've searched 'online' for a good few times before this post on BCF...

Cheers

[BrownTrousers]

[Kal]

This has never been actually occured to me. Its kind of in the same class of scooter behaviour as jumping off and pushing it through a redlight to get to the otherside.

If memory serves bicycle has yet to be succsssfuly used as a defence in parking offences, so I suspect it cant be applied elesewhere.
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[M.C]

I have used them, but tbh I think using any cycle lane (etc.) is a bit of a dick move, and I avoid it when I can be ar$ed.

I thought it depended on the road markings, for example this one doesn't have a solid white line, so I think you could use it, although that one's lethal to cyclists as any large vehicle (as in the picture) decapitates whoever's come through as you swing back over to the left.

[waffles]

I have one of those things going in to my village and everyone ignores it. I have pulled up to the give way line in my car as another vehicle got there first (and was going round) only to have the van behind me swerve round and barrel off towards the oncoming vehicle. When they were first installed I had a cheeky bet with my parents about how long it would be before the first accident. The fire brigade pulled the first car off within 48hours and by the end of the week there were three wrecks piled on the green next to it. Easy money!

I've been forced over in my car, on my bike and once driving a van. Often I get to the end (where I have right of way and the other side has the traffic island on it) only to be forced to stop by a succession of vehicles passing through.

They are properly shit and most people are too impatient to wait. Treat it as any other obstacle, make progress where possible but keep your eyes peeled and be ready to stop at short notice. Don't presume that people have actually looked if they slow down and do a quick shoulder check before pulling round them.
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[Ame]

[quote="BrownTrousers"][quote="Ame"]street view pic [/quote]

No "keep right" arrow, no offence?

That said, the times I'm tempted to do this are only due to a long stream of traffic coming the other way meaning a lengthy wait - that road doesn't look like it would get busy enough to make it worthwhile.[/quote]


Yes BT it can get stupid round there when it's the school run,clocking off etc..

I've just got in from a ride and sure enough,there's the one who doesnt gtf's,on this system in another part of the estate,[it's always possible they dont know they need to give way...] but the ones who do it seem to think if they go a bit faster.they can clear it before you arrive at it,and one some while ago pulled well over into my path after I'd committed to it,i think I clipped his wing mirror,so as well as pissing me off,it shit me up a bit,thats why it's worth knowing,if nothing else,for safety's sake.Any maneuver that doesnt involve making a turn is obviously safer,so being able to continue on a straight path seems logical to me.especially because of the big majority of driver's who just dont 'GW'.