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| tallone1 wrote: | I'm very big |
That.. is putting it lightly 
| Polarbear wrote: | If you are talking about direct access, then it's a different story, much more choice. |
| tallone1 wrote: | Location: Romania |
Not UK Based so UK test & licence regs probably not applicable.
| Polarbear wrote: | Are you talking 125's? If so, as said above, Varadero. |
I don't think he'll be looking at 125's... I think he'd FLATTEN even a Veradaro!
500Lb?!?!?!?!??! 227Kg!!! Crikey you are a big fella, aren't you!
Big difference between 'lightweight' & 'Middle-weight' bikes for most folk is that light-weight bikes are lighter than they are, middle-weights , getting to be about if not more heavy than they are. I'm a little heftier than 'average', (less than half the man you are by the seems of it though!) I weigh 90Kg, I am a bit heavier than my 'light-weight' 125, that weighs 125Kg, but a bit 'lighter' than O/H's 'middle-weight' that weighs 160Kg, and a lot lighter than my 'heavy-weight' that weighs 210Kg...
227Kg? Geez! You are likely to make something as hefty as a full-dress Gold-Wing look like a tiddler between your legs!
| tallone1 wrote: | Occupation: Rugby |
Do you play or merely 'accidentally' walk into the opposing teams dressing room looking for the urinal and watch them leave, in embarrassment!
Christ! They used to stick me in the middle of the front row, to get flattened every week.. do you need the other five fellas in a scrum?!?!?!?!?
Bikes.... yeah.... unfortunately they TEND to be built for, well, HUMANS, rather than GIANTS! This IS going to be a problem.
I'm 6'3", I struggle to get trousers that have long enough legs, and cars? Well I tend to wear the roof lining as a hat! Any-one departing much from 'average' proportions struggles to get stuff 'off the peg' and lets face it, you are WAY off the scale!
So, like shopping for anything else, its going to be a lot of hunting and a lot of trial and error to find anything to sort of 'fit'.
I think we can discount almost all 'lightweights', that is anything with an engine displacement under 250cc or so. You, alone weigh enough to be threatening their 'gross laden weight' for a normal sized rider, passenger and a bit of light luggage! And with limited power, they aren't likely to have the grunt to move you all too briskly.
Up around 500cc, you are likely to find bikes that have slightly more generous proportions and a enough power to move a man-mountain like you! Good news is that there's only three dimensions that really matter; handle-bars to bum, and bum to foot-pegs, and on an 'upright' bike, these aren't too 'critical', bend in your arms and legs will take up the difference, you shouldn't be too cramped up, and there's plenty of 'head room'!
Sports-bikes are likely to be less useful; they tend to have a pretty 'scrunched' riding position.
Cruisers? Well, they tend to be designed around the usually larger proportions of Americans, and 'laid back' with forward set foot-rests, MIGHT be more accommodating....
Off-Road / Dirt-Bike / Adventure-Sport type bikes? They tend to be fairly tall, but also on soft long travel suspension, which you are likely to lower rather a lot when you sit on one! And seat tends to be quite close to the bars, so and footpegs still quite close to the seat, they may not offer as much 'space' as they look like they should.
Which is probably all of little 'help' to you.
Answer is probably to look at more 'conventional' upright bikes, commuters and nakeds and possibly cruisers, and bigger engine'd ones. And just try a awful lot of them to find one that's comfortable to sit on... as you would ride it. feet on the pegs, hands on the bars.
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Welcome to the forum.
I agree, I think you are going to really struggle. My Yamaha MT09 Tracer is relatively tall and has a maximum seat height of 860mm, but also only a maximum load capacity of 414.5lb.
I thought you may get on with a big cruiser, such as a Harley, but found this article
https://www.motorcyclecruiser.com/getting-loaded-how-much-weight-can-your-motorcycle-handle
Maybe a Honda Goldwing would be big enough to carry you?
EDIT: That's no gonna work either. Fully loaded is 417lb
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well I don't live in the UK yet, but this year I will be there I guess. Or those are my plans at least.
Yeah, I was thinking of cruisers too, but I've understood they're a bit more difficult to handle. Is is true?
Thanks for your reply anyways and yeah, trust me, being 500+ lbs really has many disadvantages, but at least it's not that bad when playing rugby. Thanks for your time  |
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Nobodys calling OP a fag for buying a cruiser to his face that's for sure.
Welcome to the forum Gigantor. 
I knew a motorcycle mechanic who was 6ft 11 and about 24 stone and that fuccker was a lump and a half.
You must be his dad 
Oh, and this thread is useless without pics.
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Time to lose some weight. I can guarantee you'll enjoy riding more, if you lose some weight + you'll feel better about yourself.
I started exercising, when I bought the ZX7R, I can now ride longer and my muscles don't hurt after a day on the bike. Also, lighter you are, faster the bike goes and better it brakes.
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| tallone1 wrote: | Yeah, I was thinking of cruisers too, but I've understood they're a bit more difficult to handle. Is is true? |
There's truth to it... Cruisers aren't built to be 'nimble', the balance and geometry tends to be optimised for chugging along wide, straight US high-ways at 55mph, rather than being flung round mountain hair-pins in the Alps.
The low seat height, often appeals to shorter riders, and women, who feel they need to be able to put both feet flat on the ground when they sit astride one; but then the long reach to high wide bars, and forward set foot-rests, can make them more of a struggle for them. My (almost average height 5'6") O/H actually struggled horribly with a 125cc 'Cruiser-ette', and trying to work out what was wrong with it for her, took me ages to 'see' following her that to go round corners she was having to lean the 'wrong' way to keep both handle-bars in her hands as she turned the bars! I suspect that such 'perversity' effects many riders, adding to the criticisms.
For 'Me' a slightly larger fella, on that 'mini' cruiser? Yeah, it wasn't exactly 'nimble'. Main gripe I had with it, though was, like shorter folk, unable to 'flat-foot' on bigger bikes! With my bum so low to the ground, moving foot off the foot-rest and trying to plant it on the floor when I stopped.. well, it was a bit like trying to do a James-Brown dance move, flipping yourself onto your feet from lying on the floor! Or get off a really low toilet when you've had a few!
As to the riding? I wouldn't like to try putting one through the cone manoeuvres of a Mod 1 licence test, the restricted turning circle is never going to make that all too easy... but, I have been convinced to ride a few, and I was curiously surprised by a 1600cc Suzuki twenty years ago, hustling around the 'Mountain' on the Isle of Man... they CAN go around corners "reasonably" well.
Same trip, atually, I was Shanghaid by the NordicV-Max club, who had taken over a corner of the camp-site I was on, and made me an 'honoury' member for the week, 'cos I was riding a V-4 they deemed 'Ulmooooost u Veeeeee-MAX!" and insisted I drink lots of fiery Sweedish Schnaps with them... beware Viking Hospitality!!!! They were utter utters... but again, watching them chuck V-Maxes round the Island TT Course and spray spark off their bright work, again, gives some 'lie' to the suggestion that cruisers just don't 'handle'.. and possibly some truth, too! However....
https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10584056_838322442859341_6879514718922126735_n.jpg?oh=c8438899d0c214311272d9f2d6764ab4&oe=57135703
That's my bike, loaded for a rally; probably about 30Kg of luggage, add 90Kg of me, and another 70Kg of pillion, and I'm still barely putting the weight on its ('Heavy Duty') suspension, you would riding solo.... THAT is none to easy to manage... but I do, and so do many others.. some of them even load V-Maxes ad cruisers up that much!
But most of the weight you put on a bike will be in you, and OK, you ent no Ballerina! But you can make it move around a ruddy rugger field! You can already 'manage' that, it shouldn't be 'so' cumbersome.
And if you can find a bike you are half comfy on, 'constraints' to manoeuvrability of ANY particular 'genre' like a cruiser, are likely to be not so significant as the constraints placed on you by your physique.
Mentioned my bike has 'Heavy-Duty' suspension.. and I have long legs while I like my bikes set up 'firm' for solo-work, and I do a fair amount of 2-Up, like the pic. Consequently, I up-rated the suspension with; longer and much harder springs and dampers to cope with that sort of loading, and gve me a taller saddle height.
No real reason, that you cant similarly 'adapt' a bike a bit to suit your weight and size.. in fact I'd say it's probably almost essential.... and once 'customised' to suit? Ought suit you more than well enough.
| tallone1 wrote: | well I don't live in the UK yet, but this year I will be there I guess. Or those are my plans at least. |
If you are planning on moving to the UK; well, once you have got UK residence, you will have to apply for a UK drivig licence, and do the bike tests under UK 'rules'.. (sorry PB, maybe they are relevant, after all!)
There are three licences here;
A1 - 125 'only' licence you have to be over 17 years old for, is probably not worth even looking at for you.
A2 - 45bhp 'restrcted' licence, you have to be over 19 years old, may be ore use... but limits bike choice some.
A/A3 'unrestricted' licence, you unfortunately have to be over 24 years old to take.
Tests for both A2 and A/A3, usually beg doing lessons with a motorbike school. THIS is likely to be your first 'problem', as your choces will be limited to the bikes the schools have. They tend to use bikes like the Kawasaki ER6... random net pc of some-one riding one....
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-5rc3HtVVkc/maxresdefault.jpg
No idea how big that fella is, but looks fairly 'average'; those bikes are a little more 'compact', but they are bigger bikes, and ridng position is pretty 'neutral'. You might find one a little bit cramped, but possibly not much more so than a more normally 'over-size' bloke like me on a 125, and I ride one of them fairly regular.
It's 'do-able'... but you'll have to talk to a few bike schools ad find one that has bikes that are less uncmfy, and who are prepard to get out a C-Spanner and tweek the suspension to the 'pillion' settings for you.
And that is the 'First Step' really, because there's no point you setting your heart on a bike until you have a licence that lets you ride it!
After that> All 'easy'. And if you want a cruiser, well, probably no more of less suitable than much elce. Personally, I would point you at 'muscle bikes', and suggest something 'like; a Yamaha XJR
https://images.mcn.bauercdn.com/upload/762/images/2003xjr1300static08tcm22.jpg
These are 'Big' in the frame, and have a good seat height and a fair reach to the bars, over a pretty flat tank, but other wise fairly 'neutral' riding possition likely to 'suit' fairly well, while they are reasonably and fairly easily 'adapted' with alternative handle-bars or suspension or even seats and foot-rests, to make them fit a bit better, as many of us do anyway.
This isn't a 'big' problem.... getting a licence to even face that problem, and accepting the compromises imposed by a bike NOT of your choice by a school, to get a licence, and performing the manoeuvres demanded by the tests on it, THAT is where the 'hassle' lies... BUT... you ONLY have to do it once!
| tallone1 wrote: | Thanks for your reply anyways and yeah, trust me, being 500+ lbs really has many disadvantages, but at least it's not that bad when playing rugby. Thanks for your time |
Think you ought to adopt the "Game-of-Thrones" character, Gregor Clegane - 'The mountain who rides" as your 'pseud' though
Best of luck.
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| RhynoCZ wrote: | Time to lose some weight. I can guarantee you'll enjoy riding more, if you lose some weight + you'll feel better about yourself.
I started exercising, when I bought the ZX7R, I can now ride longer and my muscles don't hurt after a day on the bike. Also, lighter you are, faster the bike goes and better it brakes. |
While being a healthy weight for you build and size, and being reasonably physically fit is good for peoples health and well being, I think having to train in the gym to ride ZX7R on the road for fun is a little bit far!
there's plenty of sports bike rider's who take the act of riding a bike as seriously as they would being a Jockey in a national event. It's not really needed and all those that buy a bike and post for hours on forums about core strength, riding position best way to get knee down on left/right bends and how to get through the gearbox on one wheel etc, or how to shave off 2seconds a lap at Cadwell etc are a bit OTT.
Bike's ent Car's apparently, and while I kind of agree with that in a way, it's like a car in that you get on/get in and start and ride. To have to train your body, become lighter or fitter or stronger to do it properly on the highway is a little bit silly to some degree. |
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| stevo as b4 wrote: | | RhynoCZ wrote: | Time to lose some weight. I can guarantee you'll enjoy riding more, if you lose some weight + you'll feel better about yourself.
I started exercising, when I bought the ZX7R, I can now ride longer and my muscles don't hurt after a day on the bike. Also, lighter you are, faster the bike goes and better it brakes. |
While being a healthy weight for you build and size, and being reasonably physically fit is good for peoples health and well being, I think having to train in the gym to ride ZX7R on the road for fun is a little bit far!
there's plenty of sports bike rider's who take the act of riding a bike as seriously as they would being a Jockey in a national event. It's not really needed and all those that buy a bike and post for hours on forums about core strength, riding position best way to get knee down on left/right bends and how to get through the gearbox on one wheel etc, or how to shave off 2seconds a lap at Cadwell etc are a bit OTT.
Bike's ent Car's apparently, and while I kind of agree with that in a way, it's like a car in that you get on/get in and start and ride. To have to train your body, become lighter or fitter or stronger to do it properly on the highway is a little bit silly to some degree. |
I don't do gym, I just do some push ups, neck, legs, back and abdominal muscles exercise, that's all. I do agree, that being a ''Jockey'' is way over the top. But I find it nice not to be in pain everytime I ride for more than half an hour. The previous motorcycles I owned were ''slow''. The ZX7R on the other hand really worked my neck and back the first time I spent some more miles on it. The first year with the ZX7R was spring full of pain, summer getting better, autumn top shape to ride but the weather starts to get bad. If you ride enough, you get the strength you need to ride eventually, but the winter break puts you back at the beginning every single year.
So now, I start my spring with ''already getting better'', so I enjoy the motorcycle season more. There are motorcycles, that are like cars, just sit and go, but as I ride only for fun, I gave up on those years ago. 
Also, I think I would notice if I had 227+kg and then around 100kg. It is never about loosing weight, but 227+ is a lot. Even 150kg would be aplenty. It might sounds harsh, but OP seems to be too fat to ride safely
(ZX7R: 232kg (incl. oil etc.), the max allowed weight of vehicle: 415kg = OP with 227kg shouldn't be riding it. Also imagine he's got a avg. male pillion of 88kg making the whole motorcycle: 547kg)
The body position stuff, well people crying about their wrists is just sad. 
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