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Alan1986
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PostPosted: 21:47 - 02 Jan 2016    Post subject: Very new.. Well haven't even started! Reply with quote

Hi guys,

New to the forum and also new to the bike world really,

I have always been interested in bikes and was going to take it up last year, I didn't,

With the new year coming in I really want to give it a go now,

I'm 29 years old, a BMS engineer, drive nice company cars all over the country and stuff, so I just sort of want something for me to have on a weekend really,
I have never even rode a bike but the interest is there,

I have registered my interest on a website called 'geton' they give you a days experience on a bike to see if it's for you and things like that, Anyone used them?

They have no spaces available for the next three months and will be in touch when they do, is there anywhere else that does something similar? I'm from Birmingham the Midlands,
Seems wise for me to have a day on a bike in a training environment before I buy myself a learner bike,

Any input to someone really new like me would be appreciated,
As I am determined to give it a go this year!
Could be lifechanging and give me a great hobbie if all goes well,

Thanks
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PostPosted: 22:00 - 02 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know a few people who have used the GetOn scheme, they found it reasonably helpful as an introduction to biking. I got the impression that it was more a 'here's how to make the bike go forward, well done' kind of day rather than any actual riding. I'm sure someone will correct me soon enough though!

Why not take the plunge and book a CBT? You already drive so road skills are not really a problem, all you need to do is learn how to control the bike. Give a few local schools a bell and find out what they can offer you Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:12 - 02 Jan 2016    Post subject: Re: Very new.. Well haven't even started! Reply with quote

Alan1986 wrote:
I'm 29 years old, drive nice company cars all over the country and stuff, so I just sort of want something for me to have on a weekend really.


Alan1986 wrote:
I'm from Birmingham the Midlands,
Seems wise for me to have a day on a bike in a training environment before I buy myself a learner bike


No experience with "geton" but having to wait three months to spend a day on a bike to see if you like it sounds like a whole bunch of time wasted and faffing around for no benefit. You could do your CBT a lot sooner than that and find out if it's for you or not and actually get something at the end of it. I used RMT for both the CBT and DAS, great bunch of guys.

IMO in your situation I wouldn't bother with buying a learner bike and instead would go straight for DAS just because I question how much fun can really be had on a tiddler when attempting to be used as a weekend hooning machine at the best of times.
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PostPosted: 22:26 - 02 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the replies guys,

As Njd has said the CBT is probably the way to go,

I have some looking into it to do myself, I am a Noob,

I didn't realise they would supply a bike,
This is why I was thinking of going down the 'geton' route first,
Have a go before I buy one,

So what is the CBT actually like?
Only had a quick read myself but will certainly look into it that's for sure, but always good to get input from people who have done it,
Seems like they give some training before the test?
Should I care about an automatic or manual?
Driving cars for years I always prefer a manual myself,
I think I would still feel more comfortable having a go on a bike before CBT,

Thanks for the replies
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PostPosted: 23:00 - 02 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alan1986 wrote:
So what is the CBT actually like?

I think I would still feel more comfortable having a go on a bike before CBT


9am-4pm with RMT. Split into the morning on a car park learning how to ride a bike and all of its controls and the afternoon doing a road ride around local routes to ensure that you meet the basic level of confidence and control to not fall off and potato yourself or others.

The CBT is designed and taught in a way that teaches someone who has never touched a motorbike before to having the provisional entitlement valid on their license by the end of the day (providing you meet the standards required, all comes down to the individual).

Alan1986 wrote:
Seems like they give some training before the test?


CBT is not a test. CBT is one a day course that consists of nothing but the most basic form of legal training required to allow an individual to ride unaccompanied on the road on their own 125 with L plates.

DAS is where there is a formal test with DSA in the form of Module 1 / 2 to gain your full license in the bike world.

Alan1986 wrote:
Should I care about an automatic or manual?


The only reason you'll ever need to touch an auto will be during the road ride when you'll be put on a scooter if you can't demonstrate enough control with a manual 125.

Don't faff around and don't entertain the idea of an auto IMO.
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PostPosted: 23:01 - 02 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even if you don't get your CBT that day, you will have ridden a bike and will either enjoy it or not. Most people going for their CBT have zero experience and fuck all road skills so you will have a big advantage there.

You have to have a CBT before you can ride on the road anyway so do that rather than those geton people whoever they are.
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PostPosted: 23:18 - 02 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks guys,

Also cheers for the link NJD,
I am going to go with those guys,
Just checked the dates and I can do it as early as next weekend,
I am thinking of doing it the weekend after,
Maybe a new years resolution should be to be less of a faffer!

My girlfriend knows I want to do it, I sent her the link you posted NJD, she said go for it,
Might even give it a go herself,

Seems like it will be a fun day to be honest, being someone who drives probably a 1000 or more miles a week I am confident on the roads so should be fine,

I'll look into the DAS part you mentioned, but I might be happy with the CBT and a 125, not sure yet, it's all new to me,
My budget for a bike would probably be 1000 or more if needed, not really one for sticking to budgets

Cheers for all your help,
Hopefully I'll add a post to this in a fortnight saying CBT done.
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PostPosted: 23:20 - 02 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Could phone up some schools and see if they offer a taster, usually free. Lets you see if you would actually enjoy enjoy it.
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PostPosted: 23:27 - 02 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alan1986 wrote:
I'll look into the DAS part you mentioned, but I might be happy with the CBT and a 125, not sure yet, it's all new to me,
My budget for a bike would probably be 1000 or more if needed, not really one for sticking to budgets


Keep the DAS at the back of your mind but not enough to focus on it for know, do the CBT and see if you get on well enough to want more, if you do then just mention it to the guys and take it from there.

They use the Yamaha XJ6's for the A license so you could always ask to look at it while you're there and get an idea of what you'd be riding eventually. Only reason I recommended DAS is because you travel all over the country and want sometime to have fun on at weekends,it might be possible on a tiddler but I'm currently stuck with one and couldn't recommended avoiding them (in terms of wanting power) enough.
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PostPosted: 23:27 - 02 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

waffles wrote:
I got the impression that it was more a 'here's how to make the bike go forward, well done' kind of day rather than any actual riding. I'm sure someone will correct me soon enough though!

Pretty much, ride round a few times, figure of 8 then they try to sell you a CBT course. All I took from mine was that I didn't want to go with that training schools manky old helmets and bikes (so it was sort of beneficial Smile).

Some training schools offer a taster session for a small amount of money, or you could go straight for your CBT. After your CBT you'll get an idea of if you want to go the 125 route or do a DAS course. If you mention you're considering a DAS course to the instructor they might give you a go on a bigger bike at the end, I've heard of this happening to a few people, I guess like a drug dealer giving out free samples Smile
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PostPosted: 23:32 - 02 Jan 2016    Post subject: Re: Very new.. Well haven't even started! Reply with quote

Hello and welcome Very Happy

Alan1986 wrote:
I have registered my interest on a website called 'geton' they give you a days experience on a bike to see if it's for you and things like that, Anyone used them?


GetOn is not bad, but it gives you only 1 hour free session not a whole day.

And it will be on small 125cc bike. CBT also is only on small 125cc bikes.

You train on bigger bikes only of you do full DAS license.

Note there is huge difference between 125s and bigger bikes. I mean 125s are wobbly and not very stable. They are easier to flick around like push bike.

Find good bike training school near you and ask them for a taster session.

Off road/enduro school is also good idea. Off road can give you plenty useful skills to use on road.

You can try to do CBT with BMW school, they will give you to ride big bike at the end:

https://www.bmwridertraining.net/rider-training/cbt-cbt-plus/

This will give you better idea how fun is to ride than 125cc.
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PostPosted: 23:37 - 02 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I appreciate all of the replies,

RMT the guys NJD mention do a taster for 20 pound,
60 to 90 minutes, if you book CBT with them that 20 pound comes off the cost of the CBT,

Seems like an option I am going to go with to be honest,
Also seems like they are local to me,
Good advice on mentioning the DAS course at CBT,
I could see them possibly giving someone a go if they seemed genuinely interested,

Thanks for all the replies, you have all been helpful and very welcoming
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PostPosted: 11:05 - 03 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think anyone else mentioned it, but before you can do the CBT you will need a provisional motorcycle entitlement on your driving licence.
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PostPosted: 11:19 - 03 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alan1986 wrote:

My girlfriend knows I want to do it, I sent her the link you posted NJD, she said go for it,
Might even give it a go herself


Do the GetOn thing together. For free, it's worth it for that bit extra of experience before your CBT.

My wife did it before opting to do her CBT, just so that she had an idea of what to expect and whether she was going to enjoy it. She then got me to buy her a YBR 125 but it never really worked out and I sold it a few months ago. And now she's talking about a scooter for commuting. Typical Laughing
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PostPosted: 11:28 - 03 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alan1986 wrote:
I appreciate all of the replies,

RMT the guys NJD mention do a taster for 20 pound,
60 to 90 minutes, if you book CBT with them that 20 pound comes off the cost of the CBT,

Seems like an option I am going to go with to be honest,


That sounds like a really good option. Gives you a taste the probably a bit more relaxed (the get on thing may be a bit of a conveyor belt), then when you go for CBT you've already got a bit of experience so it'll go in easier and you'll get more out of that day. For no cost except your time (assuming you go on to do the CBT so get the money back) it's a no brainer really - extra coaching time for free!
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PostPosted: 11:40 - 03 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

As others have said before, I would phone up some training schools and ask about free tasters. The school I did mine with offered me a free taster straight of the bat when I was calling about a CBT. It was an hour long session on a 125 and it went through many of the basic bike handling skills taught on the CBT. It gave me an opportunity to see if I wanted to progress further before committing any dosh and it gave them an opportunity to assess me and give me advice on what route I should take (they had several DAS options varying in length).

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PostPosted: 12:00 - 03 Jan 2016    Post subject: Re: Very new.. Well haven't even started! Reply with quote

Alan1986 wrote:
I have never even rode a bike but the interest is there,

Silly question perhaps, but can you ride a bicycle?
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PostPosted: 12:11 - 03 Jan 2016    Post subject: Re: Very new.. Well haven't even started! Reply with quote

Andy_Pagin wrote:
Alan1986 wrote:
I have never even rode a bike but the interest is there,

Silly question perhaps, but can you ride a bicycle?


Not a silly question, it's the first question I was asked when I booked the CBT for my Mrs.
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PostPosted: 13:32 - 03 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

NJD wrote:
CBT is one a day course

The DVSA are adamant that the CBT should not be seen as a one day course, but as long as necessary to reach a minimum standard of competence and safety. Plenty of us went back for a 2nd bite at it.

Trouble is, it's a competitive market and nobody wants to advertise their course as 2+ days.
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PostPosted: 14:20 - 03 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Plenty of us went back for a 2nd bite at it.

Define plenty Thinking
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PostPosted: 14:51 - 03 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 15:19 - 03 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alan1986 wrote:
So what is the CBT actually like?


Like this but 8 hours instead of 8 minutes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g7kw1q125A

But yeah - depends how you take to it, how much you've done before, and how you find the instructor(s). Also - can be key this - what the other learners in your group are like. If they're coming back for their Nth two year top-up, or have been competing in enduro events from age six, you're loads more likely to feel like a know-nothing numpty who's singularly incapable of completing the simplest manoeuvre.

It's difficult at the best of times though - perhaps especially if you're used to driving, because the controls are in the "wrong" places. In fact, the controls are arguably the trickiest bit even if you're not used to operating a clutch with your foot. Cancelling indicators, not stalling, avoiding over-braking - all this whilst trying to keep good balance on two wheels. Yeah - can result in a somewhat fucked mind. But always and throughout you catch a glimmer of how good riding a bike will be once you've sussed it, and that's what keeps you going. Otherwise you'd probably think fuck this shit I'm off home.
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PostPosted: 15:54 - 03 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
The DVSA are adamant that the CBT should not be seen as a one day course, but as long as necessary to reach a minimum standard of competence and safety.


The option to take and complete the CBT in one day is possible and therefore the only way (at least that I see) that the CBT will be viewed in the way the DVSA want is to make it compulsory for the CBT to be more like DAS (ie; spread out across multiple days) rather than the option of being possible in just one day.

In the real world the CBT is as easy as it gets and the level of road knowledge, machine control and everything else required to be allowed to gain the certificate and ride a 125 unaccompanied on your own is piss poor.
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PostPosted: 16:45 - 03 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

... depending entirely on the ability, attitude and standards of the instructor(s).

The inconsistency doesn't help. "Plenty" [citation needed] of folk report going out on a token road ride rather than the 2 hour minimum. I found that the talky-bits of mine went on for far too long. Those of us that cared already knew or would find out ourselves. Those that didn't weren't listening and might as well have been on the bikes.

Well, the good news is that instructors are being encouraged/allowed to tailor the course to individuals, whatever that means in the context of still ostensibly having to complete every element even if you're an eternaLearner.

What I'm meandering around to is: don't sweat the CBT. Sweet or salty, it's just the first lick.
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PostPosted: 17:17 - 03 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

My experience is not really relevant as my CBT was 18-19years ago, I'm sure plenty has changed since then and there is more in the way of paperwork, theory tests and such like now.

But I can remember enough to say that I really enjoyed my CBT, it was a sunny day with showers, but it was great fun at the time, and two out of the three others there on the day picked it up quite quicky and had few problems on the training ground or the road bit. I think one had to go back to the instructor for a bit more machine control to be taught, but it's no surprise out of say 5 people if one of them can't learn or pick things up at the pace of the others?

I did go to a CBT taster first about a fortnight before, because it was free that's the only reason though. The school doing it were a bigger outfit with more instructors and bikes, but it was in Yardley in Birmingham, and I didn't fancy doing my CBT there or in that area at the time.

I'd suggest doing the CBT as soon as possible really, even if you then wait a month or so before doing anything else. Training I felt was far nicer or better in Autum/winter when it was quieter. I think loads of people suddenly want to do it come the spring/summer and so training availability/ and level of service etc often suffers then.

I went on to do a DAS course and back then the cost was probably not much over 1/2 what it is now. I had two brilliant days riding probably around 200miles on a CG125, and then a day and a half on a Kawasaki ER5, (one of the popular school bikes then), and then into my test.

I found getting comfortable with positioning, obs, etc on a 125 bike for a couple of days was a great way of doing it, and then it was only a case of changing bikes once id got some confidence in stuff and what to remember for the test etc.

The two guys I was with on the course were both late 30's-early 40's, and I remember we had lots of discussions over what bikes we fancied getting once we passed our tests. I had a head full of weird ideas, everything from a Honda Transalp, CB500, to a Thundercat.

It's true you start learning afterwards though, and the instructors were very 'whatever bike you get doesn't matter/isnt worth worrying or thinking about too much at that stage'

Last word is Insurance vs Budget. Until I was ready to buy a big bike I didn't have a clue about prices for cover, but if it's coming out of your bike budget, then getting plenty of quotes first is best. Back then internet price comparison sites didn't exist so, it was lots of phone calls with potential bike candidates.
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