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PostPosted: 23:37 - 03 Jan 2016    Post subject: Modular Helmet Reccomendation Reply with quote

I've been to several stores and have tried more than 10 helmets.

Overall, I can't tell much difference between them.

The expensive ones (>$500) are more cushy and comfortable.

Otherwise, they're all about the same.

So, I would appreciate some reccomendations.
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PostPosted: 23:45 - 03 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

The general rule of thumb is the helmet that fits your head is the safest.
You pay more for comfort, noise cancelling, design etc not necessarily for more safety.
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PostPosted: 23:56 - 03 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

kerr wrote:
The general rule of thumb is the helmet that fits your head is the safest.
You pay more for comfort, noise cancelling, design etc not necessarily for more safety.


They're all about equal, more or less, for good and bad.

I've tried helmets that seemed a good fit but became incredibly uncomfortable after half an hour of riding.

I've heard of the top-end brands like Shoei, but I'm looking for a mid-range priced helmet. Isn't there a better price/performance option?
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PostPosted: 00:00 - 04 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be honest helmet chat is a minefield, as long as its got the appropriate sticker on the back it'll do me.
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If your looking for mid range brands have a look at agv, my K5 cost me 250 iirc, but again that all depends if an agv will fit your head as they tend to suit people with more oval shaped head's.
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PostPosted: 00:39 - 04 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought a Caberg Duke 6 months back as 'flip up' helmets are easier to put on/take off with glasses.
I'm quite happy with it but the few times I've cruised at motorway speeds it's very noisy so I'm trying to work out the best ear plugs at the moment. Luckily I don't do too much of that type of riding at the moment but ....
I've heard that all flip up helmets are noisy but have no experience of any others so can't really comment on that.
I tried 5 or 6 on in the shop and 2 of them fitted me best. The duke fitted just as well as another one that cost more than twice as much. All the others didn't seem to fit my head properly...
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PostPosted: 01:12 - 04 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

If your helmet was noise proof, how would you hear the oncoming traffic?

Another issue is that every store seems to have a couple brands they work with, so you have to compare helmets at different shops, which is difficult when you're trying to feel subtle differences.

I was just hoping there was a popular helmet everyone was getting.
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PostPosted: 02:14 - 04 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trackr wrote:
If your helmet was noise proof, how would you hear the oncoming traffic?


There are no noise proof helmets as such, just ones that cancel out wind noise more than others.
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PostPosted: 03:42 - 04 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Consider Shark? I've not owned a flip-front as i have little use for such, but i have been impressed with the quality of their range, and their aftersale support. I had a minor fault with my speed-r and it was dealt with on shark's 5 year warranty. Shark sent a loaner lid to my local J&S whilst this was being done, which was a complete surprise to me and the store.

I particularly like shark's lining material, it never feels damp, even when piss wet through, unlike either hjc ive had that felt horrible given a drop of stray rain or a bit of sweat.

The visors are good to. Hjc ones last less than a year with me before being scratched to fuck and needing replacement. My shark visor is still looking brand new after 18 months. Really thick visor with optical correction too.
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PostPosted: 10:31 - 04 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trackr wrote:
If your helmet was noise proof, how would you hear the oncoming traffic?
I was just hoping there was a popular helmet everyone was getting.


Why would you want to hear 'oncoming traffic'?

As Kerr says, none of them are noise proof, but wind noise at speed can be really draining on a longer journey.

A 'popular helmet' may not fit you properly, so you really need to just try as many different ones as possible.
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PostPosted: 10:47 - 04 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have the AGV Compact. Had to go for this one over the Caberg Duke because my mouth was resting on the helmet of the Duke. Compact has a longer chin piece meaning you have a bit more room.

Noise is only really an issue when turning your head, life savers or a quick glance over your side can be noisy but in normal riding head forwards it's absolutely fine. Comfy too.
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PostPosted: 14:35 - 04 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alpineandy wrote:
I bought a Caberg Duke...

...I'm quite happy with it but the few times I've cruised at motorway speeds it's very noisy...


I have a Duke too. It's comfortable, but the pinlock is shit, and it is very noisy.

If a flip-front is what you're set on, then the Duke is worth checking out. For what it's worth, with hindsight, I wouldn't have bought a flip-front helmet. It seemed like the best of both worlds at the time, but I wish I'd just bought a normal full-face.

Riding with my chin and face exposed scares me Embarassed
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PostPosted: 14:56 - 04 Jan 2016    Post subject: Re: Modular Helmet Reccomendation Reply with quote

Trackr wrote:
I've been to several stores and have tried more than 10 helmets.

Overall, I can't tell much difference between them. The expensive ones (>$500) are more cushy and comfortable. Otherwise, they're all about the same.


The internal padding might seem more comfortable on a helmet that has a bigger price tag but are those helmets the right fit and size for you? Just because you can get your head inside a helmet doesn't mean that it ticks all the boxes and will stay where it's meant to in the event of an off.

Forget the price tag and put a helmet on and learn how to tell what a good fit is and isn't in a mirror in the shop. Put the helmet on without being strapped up and the things your looking for are:

1) That the cheek pads compress against your cheeks and pinch them a little.

2) When you move the helmet side to side your cheeks move with the pads.

3) Place your hand on the chin guard area and pull the helmet down, a good fitting helmet shouldn't move much and should attempt to take your face with it, in my experience it should only move to just above the eyebrows any further down the face and it's to loose or not for you.

Probably more I'm forgetting about.

Trackr wrote:
I was just hoping there was a popular helmet everyone was getting.


Not everyone has the same head shape.

Trackr wrote:
If your helmet was noise proof, how would you hear the oncoming traffic?


It's wind noise that helmets block out, some better than others, you'll want to read reviews on the internet in regards to helmets you like the look of to see what owners that already wear and ride in them say about it, if bad wind noise is mentioned then avoid.

Trackr wrote:
I've tried helmets that seemed a good fit but became incredibly uncomfortable after half an hour of riding.


And this is why it's a good idea to find a shop that allow their customers to walk around with the helmet on their head for around ten minutes to get an idea of how it feels after that period of time as popping a helmet on and on looking at it and going "good graphics m8" is not enough time spent to know if it's for you or not regardless of how it looks.

To my knowledge at first helmets can be a little uncomfortable as they bed in and mould to your head (the padding) but shouldn't be enough to cause you pain, if you get pain when putting on a helmet on any of the pressure points then it's only going to get worse over time and the helmet isn't for you, period.

Trackr wrote:
So, I would appreciate some reccomendations.


Sure, tell us your head shape.

I'd call a pinlock a necessity since I first got a helmet with one I haven't even looked at one without, life saver.
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PostPosted: 23:26 - 04 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the reponses, guys.

In order..

1.) I want to hear the traffic around me because I live in Israel and people here drive like lunatics. I'm usually being overtaken by two cars and a motorcycle doing 250 KM/h at any point in time.

2.) I have no idea what head 'shape' means. Logically, since everyone has a different head shape, you'd need a custom helmet made specifically for you, but since that's not an option then I have to assume that most helmets have a generalized way of conforming to any given person.

3.) I'm currently considering three helmets.

MDS MD200 - $180
Caberg Duke - $280
AGV Compact - $380

The MDS is the best looking (though not by much), and the AGV is by far the most comfortable.

4.)People tell me that the helmet should be so tight you can't move without the helmet moving with your face.. but on the other hand it shouldn't be uncomfortably tight.

That makes zero sense to me. It's like saying "You should make sure you oven temperature is high enough to cook your food, but not to the point where it's too warm to touch."

As someone who rides a street bike for speed, any helmet feels horrible. The AGV feels significantly better though.

5.) I only measured my head when I got home, and I think it's 59-61, which puts me right between Large and Extra Large.

I tried the Large and it passed all the tests I've seen people use, but the Extra Large felt a lot nicer.

Is it really that big of a deal to have a slightly larger helmet? I mean I have the chin strap so it's not like the helmet is going to fly off my head during an accident and 99% of the time I'd be more comfortable.

Unless, like people are saying, it would be more noisy and I can't experience that until I buy the damn thing, so..
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PostPosted: 01:25 - 05 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you can wear a large for 10 minutes on a warm day without it pressing somewhere so hard it hurts, then it fits, and the extra large is too big.

My helmets properly push my cheeks out of shape and don't move around a lot. The less movement you can get without pain, the better, although you should be able to get your thumb up to but not beyond the first knuckle between your forehead and he helmet if you press HARD against the back of the lid with the other hand.

My first helmet was a bit big, didn't roll off but if i shook or nodded my head vigourously it would move. My next helmet was a size smaller. It fits really well but i have to be careful getting my ears in. This and subsequent helmets have takent a few hundred miles of riding before they got really comfortable. They stay put on my head though.

I nearly bought a lid that was too tight. I tried some on a cold day. Came back the next day, the sun was out and i was uncomfortably sweaty in my leathers. Tried the lid i planned on buying one last time and it was painfully tight quite quickly.
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PostPosted: 03:15 - 05 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trackr wrote:
Thanks for the reponses, guys.

In order..

1.) I want to hear the traffic around me because I live in Israel and people here drive like lunatics. I'm usually being overtaken by two cars and a motorcycle doing 250 KM/h at any point in time.
As has been said numerous times no helmet is going to cut out traffic noise, just cut down on wind noise, go google some helmet reviews



2.) I have no idea what head 'shape' means. Logically, since everyone has a different head shape, you'd need a custom helmet made specifically for you, but since that's not an option then I have to assume that most helmets have a generalized way of conforming to any given person.
Every manufacturer caters for different head shapes, its up to you to find out what ones fit your particular head shape, THERE IS NO GOLDEN GOOSE HELMET THAT FITS ALL HEAD SHAPES.

3.) I'm currently considering three helmets.

MDS MD200 - $180
Caberg Duke - $280
AGV Compact - $380

The MDS is the best looking (though not by much), and the AGV is by far the most comfortable.

4.)People tell me that the helmet should be so tight you can't move without the helmet moving with your face.. but on the other hand it shouldn't be uncomfortably tight.

That makes zero sense to me. It's like saying "You should make sure you oven temperature is high enough to cook your food, but not to the point where it's too warm to touch."
Replace tight with snug.

As someone who rides a street bike for speed, any helmet feels horrible. The AGV feels significantly better though.


5.) I only measured my head when I got home, and I think it's 59-61, which puts me right between Large and Extra Large.

I tried the Large and it passed all the tests I've seen people use, but the Extra Large felt a lot nicer.

Is it really that big of a deal to have a slightly larger helmet? I mean I have the chin strap so it's not like the helmet is going to fly off my head during an accident and 99% of the time I'd be more comfortable.
Oh yes of course a chin strap will never snap in an off Rolling Eyes



Unless, like people are saying, it would be more noisy and I can't experience that until I buy the damn thing, so..


Go back and re read all the answers given, all your questions have been answered.
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PostPosted: 12:49 - 05 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a big difference between hearing traffic around you and being deafened by wind noise. You can wear ear plugs and still hear the traffic around you, the plugs just cut out the 'interference' noise.A number of racing schools give lesson number one as wear ear plugs so you can actually hear the bike and what's happening around you instead of being deafened by extraneous noise.

Every head is different but most helmets are different. One helmet that suits my head shape is probably different from the helmet that suits your head shape. You will only know which is best for you by trying them on your head.

The look of the Helmet should be secondary to the fit.
When you wear the helmet hold the chin piece firm and see of you can twist your head without the helmet moving. If you can then it's not the correct fit. In the event of an accident you don't want the helmet moving on your head.

You'll find plenty of stories (usually of dead people) who had the wrong helmet which came off in an accident. It even happens with MotoGP riders occasionally and they have experts fitting their helmets. The chance is very low if you have the right helmet.
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PostPosted: 14:03 - 05 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a truly modular helmet (removable chin bar). An Airoh J106.

Very pleased with it. I particularly like the very low profile of it, small shell, low wind resistance.

It's not for sale in the Uk. I took a chance on it fitting and it does. It's approved as both and open and full face helmet in Europe and so is UK road legal.

I reviewed it after I got it. Still wearing it. Still pleased with it. Chinpiece covers a lot of face making it excellent in the winter. Also looks like a ninja facemask.
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PostPosted: 19:32 - 05 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trackr wrote:

As someone who rides a street bike for speed, any helmet feels horrible. The AGV feels significantly better though.

I tried the Large and it passed all the tests I've seen people use, but the Extra Large felt a lot nicer.

Is it really that big of a deal to have a slightly larger helmet? I mean I have the chin strap so it's not like the helmet is going to fly off my head during an accident and 99% of the time I'd be more comfortable.

Unless, like people are saying, it would be more noisy and I can't experience that until I buy the damn thing, so..


The only reason you get helmet with proper snug fit is for your safety. If you can accept the risk wear open face helmet do not bother with full one that is so big that will fall off on impact.

Chin strap alone cannot hold on the helmet on your head during crash because of the force of the impact. The helmet will slide forward.

Which raises the question why modular? Full face helmets can be more comfty when you get use to them.
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PostPosted: 20:05 - 05 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trackr wrote:


Is it really that big of a deal to have a slightly larger helmet? I mean I have the chin strap so it's not like the helmet is going to fly off my head during an accident and 99% of the time I'd be more comfortable.


I think you'd be horrified at how much both your skull and the helmet deform during a severe impact.

I've attended a fatal crash where the riders helmet came off and was lying in the road with the chin strap still done up.

I'm personally very blase about helmet use but I would say in some circumstances an ill fitting helmet is probably worse than none at all.

Put an egg in a wine glass and shake it from side to side. Now do the same thing with it in a pint glass...
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PostPosted: 11:59 - 06 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Must admit I don't actually ride with the helmet in the up position. I use it mainly for when I'm filling up with petrol, chatting to people at traffic lights or if I'm popping to a friends house and know I won't be staying long (driveway chat etc). Plus it looks pretty cool at lights when the lights change and you flick the chin bar down and zoom off.

The fear of falling off with an open face helmet and doing some irreversible damage to my face put me off.
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PostPosted: 23:58 - 06 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

kerr wrote:
Go back and re read all the answers given, all your questions have been answered.


Damn, man. You're an enormous asshole. I think you put your helmet on the wrong end.

kerr wrote:

As has been said numerous times no helmet is going to cut out traffic noise, just cut down on wind noise, go google some helmet reviews


Yeah, I got it. I was simply responding to someone.

kerr wrote:

Every manufacturer caters for different head shapes, its up to you to find out what ones fit your particular head shape, THERE IS NO GOLDEN GOOSE HELMET THAT FITS ALL HEAD SHAPES.


Here's how reading this went:

"Oh, I see. That's a good point, I'll keep that in.. AAAAHHH WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU YELLING?!?"

kerr wrote:
Replace tight with snug.
Oh yes of course a chin strap will never snap in an off Rolling Eyes


Sarcasm almost always translates to poor reasoning skills.

Case in point - there are plenty of straps that are essentially snap-proof, and at $300 there is no excuse for not using one.

Thus, logically, the only reason to not use one must be practical. For instance, the strap itself causing more damage to the lower part of the head when it is the only thing keeping the helmet on.

Again, I never said that I'm going to buy XL - just thinking out loud. I don't know why you're getting so severely butthurt.
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PostPosted: 00:06 - 07 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alpineandy wrote:
There's a big difference between hearing traffic around you and being deafened by wind noise. You can wear ear plugs and still hear the traffic around you, the plugs just cut out the 'interference' noise.A number of racing schools give lesson number one as wear ear plugs so you can actually hear the bike and what's happening around you instead of being deafened by extraneous noise.


Yes, I figured out that the helmet filters the noise instead of blocking it. But how would ear plugs work? They literally cancel out all noise.

Alpineandy wrote:
Every head is different but most helmets are different. One helmet that suits my head shape is probably different from the helmet that suits your head shape. You will only know which is best for you by trying them on your head.


That's a tough one. I know the AGV fits better than the MDS and virtually all other helmets, but it's not like it feels as comfortable as not wearing it, so I have no objective way to know if it's the 'right' one.

Alpineandy wrote:
The look of the Helmet should be secondary to the fit.
When you wear the helmet hold the chin piece firm and see of you can twist your head without the helmet moving. If you can then it's not the correct fit. In the event of an accident you don't want the helmet moving on your head.


Ahh, that makes a lot more sense. That asshole above should really read this.

But then, why not have some sort of neck garter that would tie around the neck making slip off impossible? Seems easy enough.

Val wrote:

Which raises the question why modular? Full face helmets can be more comfty when you get use to them.


I've only worn full-face and 3/4 helmets so far.

I simply figured it would be nice to open it on hot summer days, since summers here are significantly hotter than summers in the UK, for instance.

I was in London in August and it was LITERALLY as warm as it is here right now.
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PostPosted: 00:44 - 07 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Trackr wrote:
But how would ear plugs work? They literally cancel out all noise.


No they don't.
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PostPosted: 13:50 - 07 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nomad Z wrote:
Trackr wrote:
But how would ear plugs work? They literally cancel out all noise.


No they don't.


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They filter the noise.
They cut down the wind noise, surface (tarmac/tyre) noise and certain exhaust frequencies but you can hear the real noises around you much better. You still hear the exhaust but can hear other exhausts as well.
It's like wearing polarised sunglasses (or yellow glasses at night) which filter certain visuals and allow you to see the things clearer.
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