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Wonko The Sane
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PostPosted: 23:21 - 11 Jan 2016    Post subject: Too much oil - issue? Reply with quote

I checked my oil level this morning, I check it about once a month and it was off the bottom of the sight glass, but then it was also freezing.

Kawasaki do say the bike should have been warmed to the bottom of the temp gauge, then left to stand before checking, I warmed it for a bit then let it stand for a bit and then topped up to half way.

Checked it after riding to the petrol station and filling up and paying etc by work (half a mile) where the oil level was filling the sight glass so I'm wondering if I've overfilled it slightly.

The bike feels fine and going to check oil level in the morning again but wondering if it's a big issue or if it'll just throw the little bit extra up the breather and end up burning it?
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PostPosted: 23:34 - 11 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

MrGs1 wrote:
I'd personally leave it if it's only 'slightly' as you say.


I don't know for certain, I only filled to half way to try and avoid overfilling it as I knew the oil was colder than should be and also may still be dripping down through the engine.
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PostPosted: 23:35 - 11 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

How much did you put in? Was it atleast close to what the manual says?

EDIT I: Drain the oil, read the manual, pour in the specified amount (all of it), don't look at the glass thinking it's too much or not enough.

If the manual says 3.1L you pour in exactly 3.1L, if it says less, pour in less. Either Way, read the manual. The number on your engine states the amount of oil that is in the engine. Bear in mind there's 0.1L in the oil filter and about 0.5L stays in the head, oil cooler and other places. So, if the number on the engine says 3.6L for instance, you only pour in 3.0L or 3.1L IF you remove the filter. You would pour in 3.6L only if you had a fresh built engine, that is completely dry inside.

EDIT II: If you are sure you poured in the right amount at the first place, and your motorcycle does not have liquid cooling system, then you are being paranoid as there's no chance something could make the oil level higher than it was the day you poured it in. The engines are mostly designed so when you pour in the right amount, you shouldn't be adding any oil before the next oil change.

EDIT III: If the one you own have liquid cooling and the cooling system was leaking into the oil, you'd see emulsion, which you don't as you'd be asking a completely different question now.
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PostPosted: 01:00 - 12 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 01:05 - 12 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

MrGs1 wrote:
If it is still bugging you by the morning I would dump it and fill it with fresh.


Change fresh oil for fresh oil? Sounds like a good idea Very Happy
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PostPosted: 01:07 - 12 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

As long as the oil level isn't high enough for the crank or any other moving bits to be splashing around in it and making foam, then you're probably good. I overfilled my BMW when I did the last service so the oil level is a cm above the max level on the sight glass and 1,300 miles later it's still absolutely fine.
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PostPosted: 07:34 - 12 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

The ZZR is a total cock for checking the oil level. If you are not on perfectly flat ground it can appear over/under depending which way the bike is microscopically leaning.

I found this out when it drove me to OCD, (because depending on where in the bay I parked it looked like the bike had either burned most of its oil or magically topped itself to the brim) and I checked the oil at various points of my parking bay with a spirit level on the bike.

TLDR - It has oil
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PostPosted: 07:56 - 12 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vracktal wrote:
As long as the oil level isn't high enough for the crank or any other moving bits to be splashing around in it and making foam, then you're probably good. I overfilled my BMW when I did the last service so the oil level is a cm above the max level on the sight glass and 1,300 miles later it's still absolutely fine.


Just about all modern bike cranks splash in the oil - gearboxes too.
Your fuel-injected BMW with it's lambda sensor might not like being over-filled for extended periods. If the engine starts burning that excess oil it can ruin the lambda.
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PostPosted: 09:45 - 12 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unless you have put like 50% too much in don't worry just use it

In nearly 40Years in the bike trade I never seen a bike ave problems with too much oil I have even had ER5 come in having had flooding problem and drained 10/12 Liters out instead of 4 !

so just don't worry the "it will blow the seal" " it will kill the Lambda sensor" tales are rubbish
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PostPosted: 10:20 - 12 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

davebike wrote:
Unless you have put like 50% too much in don't worry just use it

In nearly 40Years in the bike trade I never seen a bike ave problems with too much oil I have even had ER5 come in having had flooding problem and drained 10/12 Liters out instead of 4 !

so just don't worry the "it will blow the seal" " it will kill the Lambda sensor" tales are rubbish


A neighbour thought you were supposed to top up to the filler cap then asked me if it had seized up because it wouldn't turn over Laughing
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PostPosted: 10:23 - 12 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is always one that on a common engine taking 3 / 4 L would require 15/20 l !!

Still seen way more dammage from too little than too much
Me I always overfill my own bikes at least 20%
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PostPosted: 13:25 - 12 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know my bike looses a bit of oil over time which is why I check it every month but top up every couple of months if needed. I hadn't just changed the oil, I know it swallows 3.7L

It's been ages since I topped up, probably since Nov as weather has been crap when I've been at home during the day and can't see at night to do anything.

Just been out to check it 5 mins ago on centre stand and it appears to be just above the level of the sight glass although as someone has said, the ZZR is a pig for any slope on the ground causing a change in level.

No sensors in the exhaust or anything to cause issues, feeling more chilled about it now you've confirmed what I was thinking and that I've seen it's only to the top of the sight glass and not higher.
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PostPosted: 23:46 - 12 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Top tip: If you're worried you've overfilled..

https://2.imimg.com/data2/ED/JM/MY-2323065/hand-wash-bottles-250x250.jpg

Unscrew the pushy-downy bit from one of these and stick it down your filler cap.

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PostPosted: 07:42 - 13 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Waaaay overfilled will froth in the crank case but if it's only a midgets's piss worth then...meh. As already stated, you can siphon a smidge out using various methods. I've used a turkey baster with a bit of silicone tubing slid into the filler in the past.
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PostPosted: 15:21 - 13 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

davebike wrote:
Unless you have put like 50% too much in don't worry just use it

In nearly 40Years in the bike trade I never seen a bike ave problems with too much oil I have even had ER5 come in having had flooding problem and drained 10/12 Liters out instead of 4 !

so just don't worry the "it will blow the seal" " it will kill the Lambda sensor" tales are rubbish


I have experienced quite a few problems when bike engines have been overfilled with oil.

In the first instance that I can recollect,a lady friend had taken her little Suzuki GS125 in for a service at a well known local bike shop and when she got it back it was dripping oil from the airbox drain pipe.So when she went back to the shop,they said it needed a rebore as compression gasses were pressurising the crankcase (the bikes shops exact words).Instead,she brought the bike round to me to get a second opinion.I first looked at the air filter,which was saturated with fresh engine oil.Luckily this was a foam type instead of a paper one,so this was easily sorted.But when I looked into the oil level sight glass,with the bike held vertically,I could not see the upper level until I leant the bike right over onto its left side.In the end we drained off nearly 500ml of excess oil,which,in a small engine like this one,was excessive.When she returned to the shop,she asked how a low mileage engine would need a rebore and if the excess oil would surely have had a bigger effect.So much for expert advice from bike shops.

The other experience that comes to mind is of a friend whose GSXR750 owning brother came out for a ride with us one day.This brother was unable to keep up in places where I expected him to and,having stopped for a breather,we had a look over his bike.Nothing obvious was found,until I noticed a dribble of oil from the filler cap on the clutch cover.I then asked the brother if he had added any oil that day and he said that he did,but,having some left in the oil container,thought that it was best to empty the rest into the sump.When the brother said that the engine felt down on power,I asked about just how much extra he had put into the sump and,having said he did not know,we leant the bike over and no level appeared in the sight glass,which in an engine like the Gixer would mean that it was vastly overfilled.In the end we drained off nearly a litre.

So.In my mind,too much oil can be as bad as too little oil.On my engines,I fill to 2/3 of the oil level spec,run the engine and then top up as necessary to 2/3 of the sight glass or dip stick,which I also do on my 4 wheeled thing.
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