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sleasyrider
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PostPosted: 07:49 - 08 Jan 2016    Post subject: licence Reply with quote

Could some one please clarify for me, when you pass your motorbike full licence, are you issued with a separate licence for your bike ?
If not, then how does it appear on your licence to show that you can ride any size bike ?
Totally confused as to the wording regarding licences, are A1, A2, age related ?
And does A mean a full bike licence ?
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PostPosted: 08:22 - 08 Jan 2016    Post subject: licence Reply with quote

Just found on website........................Under A class, with a tri cycle restriction. I'm guessing that means when you pass full test , they remove that tri (03) bit ?
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PostPosted: 08:50 - 08 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your licence is your licence, you only get one. As you pass tests in different classes, your entitlements will change.

A is indeed a full motorcycle licence - but don't think because you have A on your licence it's automatically giving you a full motorcycle licence, because it'll likely have a code by the side of it to restrict it to trikes

As for A1, A2 - partly age related, partly down to the machine you take your test on. There's LOADS of threads in this very section explaining the minutia of the detail (and there's lots of detail, so be careful) because it's an extremely complicated EURO specially retarded piece of legislation that makes absolutely no sense at all. Best read up on it chum.
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PostPosted: 08:51 - 08 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here you go - read Roger's post here:
https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=309457
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PostPosted: 09:10 - 08 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
Your licence is your licence, you only get one. As you pass tests in different classes, your entitlements will change.

A is indeed a full motorcycle licence - but don't think because you have A on your licence it's automatically giving you a full motorcycle licence, because it'll likely have a code by the side of it to restrict it to trikes

As for A1, A2 - partly age related, partly down to the machine you take your test on. There's LOADS of threads in this very section explaining the minutia of the detail (and there's lots of detail, so be careful) because it's an extremely complicated EURO specially retarded piece of legislation that makes absolutely no sense at all. Best read up on it chum.


Thanks for that...............I finally figured it out .
The tri bit means you are restricted to trikes lol.
But have to say it's seems a complicated way of doing things. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 09:28 - 08 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

sleasyrider wrote:
But have to say it's seems a complicated way of doing things. Thumbs Up

The A tri / 03 / 79 code (they're not even consistent) is indeed confusing and it's catching a lot of people out. Welcome to the DVLA's implemention of Whitehall's interpretation of a Brussels diktat.
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PostPosted: 10:24 - 08 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

And to make things even more DVLA, the description of my A entitlement is so badly written that it specifically excludes me from riding some types of bike. I plan to write to them (again).

DVLA licence-checking website wrote:
You can drive a motorcycle of a power exceeding 35kW or with a power to weight ratio exceeding 0.2kW per kg, or A motorcycle of a power not exceeding 35kW with a power to weight ratio not exceeding 0.2kW per kg and derived from a vehicle of more than double its power. A motor tricycle with a power exceeding 15kW


So it seems I cannot ride:

- a motor tricycle with a power not exceeding 15kW (save for 3-wheel vehicles with a maximum design speed of over 25km/h and not more than 45km/h entitled by Category AM)

- a motorcycle of a power not exceeding 35kW with a power to weight ratio exceeding 0.2kW per kg and derived from a vehicle of more than double its power

- a motorcycle of a power not exceeding 35kW with a power to weight ratio not exceeding 0.2kW per kg and not derived from a vehicle of more than double its power.
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PostPosted: 10:39 - 08 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

DVLA licence-checking website wrote:
You can drive a motorcycle of a power exceeding 35kW or with a power to weight ratio exceeding 0.2kW per kg, or A motorcycle of a power not exceeding 35kW with a power to weight ratio not exceeding 0.2kW per kg and derived from a vehicle of more than double its power. A motor tricycle with a power exceeding 15kW

That's exactly what mine says..................it's no wonder I'm confused.
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PostPosted: 10:56 - 08 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

sleasyrider wrote:
DVLA licence-checking website wrote:
You can drive a motorcycle of a power exceeding 35kW or with a power to weight ratio exceeding 0.2kW per kg, or A motorcycle of a power not exceeding 35kW with a power to weight ratio not exceeding 0.2kW per kg and derived from a vehicle of more than double its power. A motor tricycle with a power exceeding 15kW

That's exactly what mine says..................it's no wonder I'm confused.


I don't see what's so confusing - it's perfectly clear cut; their licence checking service gives you incorrect information but it's absolutely fine because they've got a 'catch all' in Bold and with a big black (that's racist) Exclamation notice on the front web-screen to tell you to check for restriction codes too. I mean, it's been implemented so well - I don't get why anyone could get confused or find grounds for complaint

https://www.gov.uk/driving-licence-categories

You can check online to see what vehicles you can drive.

Exclamation Your entitlements may have additional restrictions. Check the restriction codes for your driving licence.
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PostPosted: 11:00 - 08 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

weasley wrote:
I plan to write to them (again).

What do you hope to gain from that? Razz
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PostPosted: 11:21 - 08 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
weasley wrote:
I plan to write to them (again).

What do you hope to gain from that? Razz

They can be surprisingly informed and informative.

I got an admission that the old system of recording A <= 25kW licenses only in previous entitlement, and as "A2", was and always had been bollocks.

Of course, they had absolutely no intention of changing it and couldn't see (read: care about) it causing any confusion, but they were happy enough to acknowledge their own institutional ineptitude.

It appears that they have dealt with it though by tearing up counterparts and removing all record of previous entitlement, so that's all right. Whistle
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PostPosted: 12:34 - 08 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
weasley wrote:
I plan to write to them (again).

What do you hope to gain from that? Razz


Jus' trollin' really.
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PostPosted: 12:52 - 08 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

weasley wrote:
Jus' trollin' really.

There is no nobler cause. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 19:11 - 11 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay then...................CBT now done. Theory and hazard next.
Then.................and this is the bit I'm struggling with. I felt fine on the bike doing my cbt, even surprised myself how much I enjoyed it, the trainer was excellent and made me feel at ease.
A couple of times he had to repeat to turn of the indicators lol, but in all honesty I didn't forget, I had loads of trouble flicking the switch as the gloves were too big ( honest ).
I am 100% confident in my ability on the roads, roundabouts, stop signs etc etc....my problem is I need some practice on a bike so I'm better at actual riding.
During the road ride I made a few basic errors, but in fairness I feel that I was concentrating too much on the bike. I know from years of riding a bicycle in traffic that I would never do a u turn or turn into a corner without checking over my shoulder.
So should I just get myself a little 125 and master the controls.......and then sell it later on, or go straight for the DAS ?
The 125 did feel like a tiddler if I'm being honest, but maybe I'm over confident, and that's unusual for me.
Unfortunately the guy I did the CBT with, only does it in my area on the weekend, so any recommendations in the Manchester area greatly appreciated.
Cheers.
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PostPosted: 19:28 - 11 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well done with the CBT,
( I know it's not a test)

Got mine Saturday and will likely be in the same predicament as yourself
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PostPosted: 19:33 - 11 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tiddlers used to be a right of passage, now they're seen as an embarrassment or an admission of failure. I needed my time on a 125, I'm sure others on hear will admit to the same (maybe under duress). I think being lighter they're more forgiving of mistakes, I remember nearly dropping my 125 on my first 'real' emergency stop, had that of been a big bike I would have gone over.

The only issue with 125's they can get quite expensive. The way to do it is get a good used Jap' bike, at the right price, then sell it on for no or minimal loss. Also research who you insure with, if you end up cancelling your policy a few months in, it can be costly.

Let's be clear about this, you will get bored of a 125, might be 3 months (it was for me), might be 6 months so take this into consideration when you decide what to buy. A brand new R125 wouldn't be the way to go for example Smile
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PostPosted: 19:40 - 11 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

You've had what, 3 solid hours on a bike and you're feeling the way you're feeling. The point of the DAS training is to get you ready for tests with more seat time. You'll have the controls sorted in the next half day session and then it's onwards and upwards.

Get it done. You can always go back to a 125 if you pass and start to feel like a fanny, or it just floats your goat
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PostPosted: 19:52 - 11 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alan1986 wrote:
Well done with the CBT,
( I know it's not a test)

Got mine Saturday and will likely be in the same predicament as yourself


Thanks mate...............good luck with yours. It is fun, especially if you haven't ridden for a long time like me .
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PostPosted: 20:09 - 11 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
You've had what, 3 solid hours on a bike and you're feeling the way you're feeling. The point of the DAS training is to get you ready for tests with more seat time. You'll have the controls sorted in the next half day session and then it's onwards and upwards.

Get it done. You can always go back to a 125 if you pass and start to feel like a fanny, or it just floats your goat


I think your right..............and I hate saying this as it makes me sound like a right know all , but..............I felt like the 125 was a toy bike Shocked .
Maybe if I got on something bigger I would absolutely shit myself and be crap at it, but I'm just being honest about how riding the 125 felt for me.
I'm going to look pretty stupid if I fail my das course after all the confident talking I'm doing lol, but I think it's the way to go.
I'm just being an impatient prick, need to slow down a bit Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: 20:26 - 11 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
Tiddlers used to be a right of passage, now they're seen as an embarrassment or an admission of failure. I needed my time on a 125, I'm sure others on hear will admit to the same (maybe under duress). I think being lighter they're more forgiving of mistakes, I remember nearly dropping my 125 on my first 'real' emergency stop, had that of been a big bike I would have gone over.

The only issue with 125's they can get quite expensive. The way to do it is get a good used Jap' bike, at the right price, then sell it on for no or minimal loss. Also research who you insure with, if you end up cancelling your policy a few months in, it can be costly.

Let's be clear about this, you will get bored of a 125, might be 3 months (it was for me), might be 6 months so take this into consideration when you decide what to buy. A brand new R125 wouldn't be the way to go for example Smile


Cheers mate,
I don't see 125's as an embarrassment or failure. Far from it, if you enjoy riding one then why not ?
They just don't feel right for me now I have been on one.
It's been a long long time between rides for me, and to be honest I was nervous about doing the CBT. I didn't know wether I was capable of even riding one. After 5 minutes though...........it was great.
I even found myself looking at the instructors bike and wishing we could do a little swap.
But I don't pretend that I am actually a bike rider yet, still a loooong way to go.
I just felt like the 125 was a tiddler.
The idea of buying one appealed a little bit as it meant that I could buy one tomorrow and be riding around instantly Thumbs Up .
Doing the DAS means having to wait before I get the chance to ride again.
A lot of people ask the same question..................I guess it's just me being indecisive.
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PostPosted: 17:30 - 16 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

How long does it take to get from CBT to licence?

I did CBT back in 1999 but never got round to riding so I'm starting from scratch Shocked
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PostPosted: 17:43 - 16 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

markshaw21 wrote:
How long does it take to get from CBT to licence?

I did CBT back in 1999 but never got round to riding so I'm starting from scratch Shocked


I was doing the CBT today,
Didn't get to the road ride, First time on a bike, the instructor was great though, tolerant as I wasn't very good at first, still they were a nice bunch of people,
Even though I didn't get to the road ride he still thought I would be capable of DAS with the four days training, obviously after my cbt,
I get another go at the CBT next week for free, I'm 29 and an experienced car driver, but I wasn't safe on a bike for the road ride really, mainly clutch control and slow speed, the DAS could be turned around and completed rather quick I reckon, with enough practice,
He basically recommended I didn't waste money on a 125, but personally I feel a 125 may be for me at the moment,
Thoughts may change next week Smile
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PostPosted: 17:51 - 16 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

markshaw21 wrote:
How long does it take to get from CBT to licence?

I did CBT back in 1999 but never got round to riding so I'm starting from scratch Shocked


3-4 days potentially. Depends on how good you are and how organised / flexible you can be
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PostPosted: 17:58 - 16 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

arry wrote:
markshaw21 wrote:
How long does it take to get from CBT to licence?

I did CBT back in 1999 but never got round to riding so I'm starting from scratch Shocked


3-4 days potentially. Depends on how good you are and how organised / flexible you can be


Arry I suppose it depends on if you pass cbt and ride a 125 abit to build up experience and so on?
Today at my cbt I was the only person out of 4 of us who has never rode a bike, the other three gits chose scooters as well
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PostPosted: 18:24 - 16 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

sleasyrider wrote:

I think your right..............and I hate saying this as it makes me sound like a right know all , but..............I felt like the 125 was a toy bike Shocked .
Maybe if I got on something bigger I would absolutely shit myself and be crap at it, but I'm just being honest about how riding the 125 felt for me.
I'm going to look pretty stupid if I fail my das course after all the confident talking I'm doing lol, but I think it's the way to go.
I'm just being an impatient prick, need to slow down a bit Rolling Eyes


It is

No you aren't.

Go get your DAS and get a 250 + and find out how easy it is to ride a full sized motorcycle compared with a 125 noddy bike.

When my daughter was learning to ride I had to ride her Gilera 50 and her SR125 on different occasions and I have never hated riding a bike more.

The moped was an underpowered push bike that looked like it should go fast. The first thing I did with that was de restrict the variator so she could at least keep up with traffic.

The SR was bearable but so small it felt like I had a wheel sticking out of my ass and felt horribly unstable.

DAS and a big bike. FFS, I was happier my daughter taking my ZZR1100 out after she passed her test than I was with her on that 125.

As you can see, I don't like little bikes on the road. Laughing
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