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-Matt-
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PostPosted: 20:07 - 22 Jan 2016    Post subject: Jailed For Helmet Cam Footage Reply with quote

Seen this doing the rounds on bookface today. Obviously plenty of people have been done for posting videos online in the past, but I wasn't sure if theres been many similar cases to this before? Might be nothing particularly new.

He got pulled for 'dangerous driving' etc. The helmet camera was seized and he was subsequently prosecuted mostly for the other footage on the memory card.

2 year sentence Thinking.

https://www.sussex.police.uk/whats-happening/latest/news-stories/2016/01/22/jailed-selsey-motorcyclist-who-filmed-his-own-dangerous-driving

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PostPosted: 20:13 - 22 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

That guy is a pure straight line hero.

N30 got raided one early morning and had every bit of computer equipment seized by the popo because he posted a vid on youtube a few years ago.
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PostPosted: 20:21 - 22 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seem to recall someone else on here mentioning their helmet camera was seized post-accident too? Can't remember who or when it was though.

First time i've heard of the camera being seized at the roadside after a pull though personally. May well not be that uncommon though.
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PostPosted: 20:32 - 22 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

How come BvG or royaljardanian (only 2 vloggers i watch) never get done, their videos are full of them clearly speeding and popping wheelie's.
Or is it all to do with the speedo being clearly visible?
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PostPosted: 20:37 - 22 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

According to the legal column (White Dalton??) of a recent bike magazine:

Edited - see Page 2 post - thanks Roger Thumbs Up

Discreet cameras are the way forward if you're stupid enough to film anything dodgy..
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PostPosted: 20:42 - 22 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

kerr wrote:
How come BvG or royaljardanian (only 2 vloggers i watch) never get done, their videos are full of them clearly speeding and popping wheelie's.
Or is it all to do with the speedo being clearly visible?
Wondered about that myself in the past. I don't watch many of them regularly but some of the vloggers do seem to post pretty obviously ''illegal'' riding at times but seem to get away with it.

Seen a few with '''video may be edited'' type disclaimers to imply the speed etc isn't accurately represented by the footage - would be interested to know if those sort of things are even actually useable as any sort of excuse or defence when they post those sort of things online.
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PostPosted: 20:46 - 22 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Old geezer too. Top man Thumbs Up Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:47 - 22 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

kerr wrote:
Or is it all to do with the speedo being clearly visible?


In quite a few places it's clear. I suspect 118mph in a 40 would be enough ...

Personally I wasn't convinced that is was that bad. Sure he crosses some double whites, nothing coming the other way though.. One "interesting" corner.. but not much.

I'm sure Paddy does worse Wink
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PostPosted: 21:06 - 22 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the video I saw speeding on A-roads (meh!) and some mild stupidity, so 2-years jail seemed excessive. According to the blurb however,
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...a recorded speed in excess of 110mph whilst still in a 30mph speed limit.
is unforgivable even if we didn't see it. 20mph, 40mph and 50 mph zones are often daft but 30mph is usually a valuable limit. 110 there deserves a kicking. Unless he pinned it in the 300 uninhabited yards leaving a village.
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PostPosted: 21:33 - 22 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kris wrote:
According to the legal column (White Dalton??) of a recent bike magazine:

If the camera is mounted to the person they can seize it easily.

If the camera is mounted to the bike then it's not so clear-cut.


Can you check that, please. That's the exact opposite of what I believe Andrew Dalton suggested.

For why, see PACE 1984 S19, and the definition of "premises" in S23.

Either way, if they want it, they're having it.
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PostPosted: 21:50 - 22 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Can you check that, please. That's the exact opposite of what I believe Andrew Dalton suggested.

For why, see PACE 1984 S19, and the definition of "premises" in S23.

Either way, if they want it, they're having it.
Does indeed seem to be neither here nor there whether its bike or helmet mounted if i've understood this correctly?
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/117591/pace-code-b-2011.pdf#page=20

What i'm mainly pondering is whether being pulled for a minor speeding offence for example, could mean they start to regularly justify seizure of helmet/bike cameras because ''you're speeding now - you've probably been speeding before/doing worse - so we'll take that for now and have a look at the video to check, just in case, thanks'' etc.

Whether its worth the man-hours it would probably take to sift through lots of bikers videos is another question in itself though I suppose.
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PostPosted: 22:18 - 22 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eat memory card before rozzers waddle out of plodmobile? Confused
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PostPosted: 22:30 - 22 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why have a camera if you're going to be that stupid.
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PostPosted: 23:37 - 22 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

He clearly doesn't give a fuck and was trying to film his own high speed death. I like him.
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PostPosted: 08:27 - 23 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
Why have a camera if you're going to be that stupid.

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PostPosted: 14:11 - 23 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems a bit overkill really . Some lads just walked into my house after trying to Nick my bike looking for the keys . Chased them down street with a hammer . Coppers caught them and the fuckers had to pay court costs and got community service . Cunts
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PostPosted: 14:33 - 23 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

10 weeks for Mr Porsche... https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/sep/24/ukcrime.jamessturcke

Just a ban for him: https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/highlands/548824/undefined-headline-622/

Sentence seems a little excessive.
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PostPosted: 15:00 - 23 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

He didn't wheelie the Porsche though
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PostPosted: 16:40 - 23 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

-Matt- wrote:
Does indeed seem to be neither here nor there whether its bike or helmet mounted if i've understood this correctly?


Indeed, it's irrelevant whether it's on the bike or on your person:

Section 19 of PACE - General power of seizure

This power of seizure exists even if no-one is arrested.

It allows police to seize anything they have reasonable grounds to believe:

(i) has been gained while an offence was being committed and it is necessary to seize it to prevent it being concealed, lost, damaged, altered or destroyed

(ii) is evidence of an offence police are investigating or any other offence and police need to seize it to prevent it being concealed, lost, altered or destroyed
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PostPosted: 17:56 - 23 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

dransy wrote:
Seems a bit overkill really.

Not really, according to the article he'd filmed numerous instances of dangerous riding, it wasn't just pulling a wheelie and 80 in a 50.
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PostPosted: 18:25 - 23 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

What is that he's riding? Looks like a honda sp1/sp2.
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PostPosted: 18:31 - 23 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was on a Fireblade according to the news article.
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PostPosted: 18:56 - 23 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is why I'll never agree with the concept of helmet cams nowadays.
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PostPosted: 19:30 - 23 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

CaNsA wrote:
raided one early morning and had every bit of computer equipment seized by the popo because he posted a vid on youtube a few years ago.

More to it than that. Laughing Laughing Laughing
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