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PostPosted: 00:15 - 26 Jan 2016    Post subject: EU can never leave Reply with quote

https://openeurope.org.uk/blog/eu-wargames-simulating-the-negotiations-that-will-determine-britains-place-in-europe/

Wowzers

Some tit bits:

UK should be punished if they decide to leave.

Even if the UK votes to leave we the UK must never be allowed to leave.

If the UK votes to leave there must be another vote until the correct vote is made.


War games of course...
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PostPosted: 00:16 - 26 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

3hrs of wargames.

pointless exercise is pointless, and expensive.
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PostPosted: 09:09 - 26 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

The more this egg gets opened, the more we see the eu as the shithole it really is, the grassroots leave campaign is gaining momentum and the leader of the stay in campaign, can't even remember what his group is called.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-Zb0ik9jck
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PostPosted: 10:07 - 26 Jan 2016    Post subject: Re: EU can never leave Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
https://openeurope.org.uk/blog/eu-wargames-simulating-the-negotiations-that-will-determine-britains-place-in-europe/

Wowzers

Some tit bits:

UK should be punished if they decide to leave.

Even if the UK votes to leave we the UK must never be allowed to leave.

If the UK votes to leave there must be another vote until the correct vote is made.


War games of course...


Totally pointless. There's no point in a simulation like this where there are no real consequences for any decision. The repercussions of decisions like this aren't always immediate anyway.
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PostPosted: 12:40 - 26 Jan 2016    Post subject: "EU can never leave." Reply with quote

The title of the thread invites (perhaps knowingly?) this famous quotation;

https://politicalquotes.org/node/19094
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PostPosted: 15:53 - 26 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Your title is clever Itchy, I like it. Although my first thought isn't The Eagles. It puts me more in mind of those American Roach Motel Traps, you know the ones where they "check in, but they don't check out."

Back on topic, so that's the EU then, a multi-billion € roach motel where the despicable feed off the unspeakable in a never-ending human centipede of corrupt filth and decomposition.

TSK undecided voter and fence-sitter Wink

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PostPosted: 16:31 - 26 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 17:41 - 26 Jan 2016    Post subject: Re: EU can never leave Reply with quote

ScaredyCat wrote:
There's no point in a simulation like this where there are no real consequences for any decision.

What real consequences are there for real life politicians?

Is anyone going to get turfed out over the UK regaining its freedom? Obviously the Hun won't like it up them, and Le Frogs might set a few British sheep on fire, but they always do.
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PostPosted: 21:10 - 26 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Despite all the hoo ha, our EU overlords couldn't care less about the UK rescinding its membership!
What they're really worrying about is, if the UK were to leave, who would follow suit!
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PostPosted: 00:07 - 27 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suntan Sid wrote:
Despite all the hoo ha, our EU overlords couldn't care less about the UK rescinding its membership!
What they're really worrying about is, if the UK were to leave, who would follow suit!


No they're worried about losing the North sea fishing.

The Germans are worried who else is going to help them pay for it all.
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PostPosted: 06:31 - 27 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I read an interesting article by a Finnish chap who suggested that the British view the EU as an economic solution, rather than a socialist experiment and unification of states.

We view our entry to the union as a sacrifice, not an honour.

Therefore, let us leave. No issue to them.

But, much like Itchy's article, suggested that there are many ways to punish the crap out of the UK for fleeing them at their time of need, further destabilising the euro and generally being seen as selfish dicks.

For instance, you say that all companies must have their head office based in a eu state capital to trade in EU. Boom, property prices in London nosedive.

What a time to be alive...
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PostPosted: 09:06 - 27 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sun Wukong wrote:
rather than a socialist experiment and unification of states.


Funny thing of course is that across the EU, lots of leftist groups are very much anti-EU. It seems to be one of the rare issues that can bridge left/right on both sides of the argument.
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PostPosted: 10:30 - 27 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

smegballs wrote:
lots of leftist groups are very much anti-EU.

[citation needed]

Corbyn isn't convinced that it's robbing enough from the productive, but he doesn't seem to have any principled objection to being a vassal state of Greater Germany.
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PostPosted: 12:13 - 27 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

smegballs wrote:
Sun Wukong wrote:
rather than a socialist experiment and unification of states.


Funny thing of course is that across the EU, lots of leftist groups are very much anti-EU. It seems to be one of the rare issues that can bridge left/right on both sides of the argument.


i bet if we had a labour government , they would all want to come out, their current reason for staying in is the tories will remove all human rights and workers rights and the unelected eu bureaucrats will look after them apparently, but the tories won't be in power forever, but this referendum is the only one we're going to get on the eu, probably in my lifetime.
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PostPosted: 12:33 - 27 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
smegballs wrote:
lots of leftist groups are very much anti-EU.

[citation needed]

Corbyn isn't convinced that it's robbing enough from the productive, but he doesn't seem to have any principled objection to being a vassal state of Greater Germany.


I'll find some sauce for you when I get home.

I've read loads of smash-the-state types complaining the EU is just a globalist-capitalist plot to allow germany to flog loads of stuff whilst bullying the poor EU countries economies in the direction Germany wants. Like telling Poortugal to plant loads of eucalyptus for example that wrecks their ecosystem to sate the north-euros appetite for bog roll.
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PostPosted: 17:50 - 27 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

smegballs wrote:

I've read loads of smash-the-state types complaining the EU is just a globalist-capitalist plot to allow germany to flog loads of stuff whilst bullying the poor EU countries economies in the direction Germany wants. Like telling Poortugal to plant loads of eucalyptus for example that wrecks their ecosystem to sate the north-euros appetite for bog roll.


I've always seen bog roll as a Greek problem.
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PostPosted: 18:01 - 27 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

smegballs wrote:


I've read loads of smash-the-state types complaining the EU is just a globalist-capitalist plot to allow germany to flog loads of stuff



It has some of these characteristics. The Euro allows Germany and the wealthy nations to suppress their currencies which allows them to sell more stuff.

China, Japan, Korea suppress their currencies in order to export more. If Germany still used Marks their marks would be so incredibly strong that few people would be able to afford their goods due to the high value of the marks. Germany has/had a problem with active devaluation because of Weimar inflation. So they do it by stealth instead.
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PostPosted: 18:39 - 27 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

smegballs wrote:
I'll find some sauce for you when I get home.

Primed to guzzle down your sauce.
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PostPosted: 19:22 - 27 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rob Fzs wrote:
workers rights



And what workers rights would those be then? Add in the fact ALL workers rights can be circumvented by the zero hours route. It means there are no workers rights.


Over at the China thread somebody said Chinese workers have no rights. Except according to the OECD they do.

I can tell you one off my head. In the UK work tribunals now cost £390. There are now a lot fewer work tribunals because obviously bosses became much better. In no rights China? Work tribunals are free.

Last year a non Mandarin speaking American won a tribunal against his former employers. They wanted to use his image to advertise something (illegal without your expressed and explicit written permission). He said no and was escorted off the premises immediately sacked. Except he took his bosses to a tribunal and won 3 years of wages.
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PostPosted: 19:40 - 27 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
It has some of these characteristics. The Euro allows Germany and the wealthy nations to suppress their currencies which allows them to sell more stuff.


I read somewhere (I know I know, I gotta find the sauce, but I'm about to go out) that Germany's exports and general wealth are down since joining the €.
When I lived in Germany (and Austria for that matter), literally everybody moaned constantly about the € making every-fucking-thing super expensive and making every-fucking-body's income so much more worthless and just how bloody shit it has been for everybody and every thing. And the Germans really did moan about that.

However, interestingly perhaps, I spoke to a dude on saturday just after I moved here, and he said the € literally saved Belgium. It made their incomes stretch so much further and made the cost of living so much more bearable for Average Joe Belgian.

I dunno where I'm going with this. But when I get back later, I'll try dig out the aforementioned sauces.
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PostPosted: 20:03 - 27 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

dan_flash wrote:


I read somewhere (I know I know, I gotta find the sauce, but I'm about to go out) that Germany's exports and general wealth are down since joining the €.
When I lived in Germany (and Austria for that matter), literally everybody moaned constantly about the € making every-fucking-thing super expensive and making every-fucking-body's income so much more worthless and just how bloody shit it has been for everybody and every thing. And the Germans really did moan about that.


I heard a frenchie and a kraut saying the exact thing to each other in a hostel I was working at. The both said that the introduction of the euro nuked both their respective purchasing powers.
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PostPosted: 22:35 - 27 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
Rob Fzs wrote:
workers rights



And what workers rights would those be then? Add in the fact ALL workers rights can be circumvented by the zero hours route. It means there are no workers rights.


Over at the China thread somebody said Chinese workers have no rights. Except according to the OECD they do.

I can tell you one off my head. In the UK work tribunals now cost £390. There are now a lot fewer work tribunals because obviously bosses became much better. In no rights China? Work tribunals are free.

Last year a non Mandarin speaking American won a tribunal against his former employers. They wanted to use his image to advertise something (illegal without your expressed and explicit written permission). He said no and was escorted off the premises immediately sacked. Except he took his bosses to a tribunal and won 3 years of wages.


I'll use that anecdote next time they bring in that argument Cool
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PostPosted: 22:49 - 27 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rob Fzs wrote:


I'll use that anecdote next time they bring in that argument Cool


https://bilbo.economicoutlook.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/OECD_Employment_Protection_Index_2008.jpg


https://www.oecd.org/employment/emp/China.pdf

https://www.oecd.org/els/emp/United%20Kingdom.pdf

There you go.
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PostPosted: 15:08 - 28 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sun Wukong wrote:
For instance, you say that all companies must have their head office based in a eu state capital to trade in EU. Boom, property prices in London nosedive.

What a time to be alive...


It would never happen and typical of the scaremongering being touted around about the UK leaving the EU.
The Germans especially rely on UK imports and exports and the German car industry who rely heavily on the UK would not tolerate any restrictions on their trade with the UK. This goes for any companies who trade with them from the UK. Its all bluster on the part of the EU.
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PostPosted: 15:46 - 28 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:


Amazing to see how far down the ranks we are. Also amazing to see how little concern there appears to be. Oh actually there was, when zero-hour contracts were first introduced, but the opposition was no doubt hand-waved away and treated as another load of moaning lefties; it's simply not 'cool' to complain nowadays. That's the problem really. I wonder how much further things can be chipped away?
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