alarm/immobiliser removal (video added)

[andym]

It seems my immobiliser is still causing some issues with my bike.... occasionally the engine will turn over once then just stop and I need to rearm then disarm it to start the bike.

It's a Meta M357t-v2, is it possible to remove the immobiliser but leave the alarm? Or without ripping the whole loom apart how would I go about just switching it all off?

Thanks in advance

[Suntan Sid]

I'd like to know the answer to this as well, I want to get rid of mine.

How old is the alarm?
AFAIK, the internal alarm battery has a life span of around 10 years, once it starts to go it will cause no end of problems.

I can't find it, but there was a thread on here, that had a link to a plug in replacement battery!

Last time I asked, at a main dealer, they wanted £200 to remove the alarm completely!
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[sickpup]

Yes it is possible to disable the immobiliser alone. There are two circuits on the M357T2 but you will have to cable chase to find them. One normally on the starter relay and the other on the fuel pump or pick ups.

[davebike]

Removal is simple but time consuming

It will have conections

earth -ve
Permanent +12v
switched+12v

a number from 1 to4 immobiliser pairs each pair will cut a wire /system these can / may include

Starter relay
inigtion power to coils or CDI
Fuel pump

Method with these is the open taped up wiring follow the black wires from the alarm and see where the loom is cut and repair the loom with a Meta I would bet only one or two intercepts

An easy one takes an hour and bad one several! in a proper workshop !
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[talkToTheHat]

Imobiliser fitters take pride in obsuring what they've done. Because security through obsurity really works.

Get a colour wiring diagram and blow it up to A2 or so. I used the poster print thing my cheap printer does and some sticky tape and then pinned the wiring diagram to a cheap notice board. Chase wires.

Buy some more fabric loom tape.
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[andym]

[Carvel]

Mine did this at the weekend...

https://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/RxsOllie/IMG_4824_zpscqg1j0zw.jpg~original

https://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae271/RxsOllie/IMG_4829_zpsxozaplmx.jpg~original

As mentioned it's a case of tracing the wires to the corresponding circuits. Easy enough job.
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[Andy_Pagin]

This company in south London do a bypass plug for £35 that directly replaces the alarm unit, no wiring required. I fitted one about a year ago, no problems whatsoever since.
Forget trying to repair a Meta, they're completely sealed in a resin block inside the casing.

https://www.abacuscaralarms.co.uk/
Tel: 0208 677 1999
Mobile: 07930 332 362

Address:
206 Leigham court Road,
London,
SW16 2RB

Callers by appointment only


Office hours are between 9:00 am and 19:00 pm Monday - Saturday, Sundays we can be contacted via the mobile number listed above.
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[Andy_Pagin]

[andym]

Just to update this, I contacted Meta who gave me a number for Abacus Alarms. I've just spoken to someone at Abacus and they thought the problem might be the bike itself. Although they have offered a bypass plug for £40 that will prove one way or the other if it was the alarm at fault, if it turns out it is the alarm then I can return the bypass plug and have the cost deducted from a replacement alarm (£125).

The other option is to remove it completely, which would involve tracing every wire into the loom, but that could invalidate my insurance.

[Andy_Pagin]

The symptoms of a dying Meta are identical to a knackered battery or a starter solenoid, I actually replace the bike battery before a ton of Googling identified the alarm as the culprit.
If your Meta is at the stage where the indicators flash but there's no blips from the alarm then it's very close to death, and will leave you stranded, I've even heard horror stories of it dying mid-ride and cutting the engine.

I collected my bypass plug from them, they're a family outfit and pretty genuine, so go for it.
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[Suntan Sid]

[andym]

[Suntan Sid]

Sorry, I'm being a bit thick.

If I were to fit the "bypass" plug, does that mean the alarm will still work or not?
Will I still have issues if the internal battery is on its way out, or do I just plug it in and forget about the battery issue?
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[Amber Phoenix]

Yeah m Meta went funny after 10 years. Really-really quiet beeping and siren. I went to Abacus too, who were dead helpful and opted for a replacement control box for around £125 from them. Just swapped it over, was about a half hour job and meant I kept the alarm/immobiliser functionality. Still works a treat now.

Worth it for piece of mind in London and no hassles haven't to inform insurers I no longer have an alarm.

Write up about swap on my blog:
https://www.beginnerbiker.com/2013/07/fixed-broken-meta-m357t-v2-alarm/
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[andym]

[Suntan Sid]

[Andy_Pagin]

You unplug the Meta from it's loom plug and press the bypass plug in where the Meta used to be, it's just a little box about an inch or two long. I also wrapped a cable tie around the loom's insulation rubber to be safe. That's it, job done.
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[Suntan Sid]

I just had a look at the Abacus site.
They offer 2 bypass plugs, as far as I can tell, neither of them are suitable for the "V2", they are only applicable for the M357(T) or M351a.
There is this warning on the bypass plug page:-

[Andy_Pagin]

^^ I think they make the plugs to order, mine was 100% definitely a M357TV2.
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[Suntan Sid]

I've ordered the one in my link, above, we'll see what transpires!
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[Suntan Sid]

The replacement module arrived this morning!

It was easy enough to fit, just unplug the old one and plug in the new.
The only difficult bit is removing the anti tamper screws from the original, it's not that hard if you find the right size screwdiriver.
Everything seems to work as it should!

The only niggle for me is my original was a V2-1, the replacement unit is a V2 which has an inbuilt immobiliser, the 2-1 didn't, (my bike's got a factory immobiliser), just means that the white terminals within the connector don't actually connect to anything now!

One thing I will say, with the new module in place, the siren is louder than a loud thing, much more noise than the old unit!

I also fitted a pemanent charging connector to the battery, saves removing the seats when I need to charge up. I still need to cable tie it in place, but I'll do that when it stops snowing!
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[andym]

Just to bring this thread back up again, mainly because I've added a video. ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MD0hPcdNFXM )

Is it possible the alarm and immobiliser is killing my battery? The bike took 4-5 attempts to start on Thursday night (same problem as the video without the battery dying).

Also while looking for a replacement battery I found that I can just use the one from the CBR