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PostPosted: 20:46 - 28 Jan 2016    Post subject: Shed/ Workshop Costs? Reply with quote

I've been considering building a 16'x10' shed/ workshop down the bottom of my garden, I've currently got small tin (yardmaster?) and it's a bollock ache to try and get my bike in and out of.

You can kind of see the area in this picture where the shed currently resides...

https://i.imgur.com/YreEOoI.jpg

The shed that is there currently, is on paving slabs which I believe are mounted on sand. I've been reading online about shed bases and most recommend a concrete base, however slabs seems to be okay too, but I'm not sure if they would be okay for the size/ weight of the shed I'll be having? I'd rather not take all the slabs up that are currently there unless I have to.

Also, I'd need to run electricity up there, would the best method for this be to dig a trench and run some SWA cable under the lawn, or would I be okay to run it along the hedge line? Also what would you estimate the cost for installing this cable, a couple of sockets and some lighting (I'd guess the shed would be about 20m from the house)?

Lastly, I've been mainly looking at eBay for sheds that come with free delivery/ installation for about £1000 for a 16'x10' tantalised pent shed, are there any cheaper places where I might be able to source one?

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PostPosted: 09:40 - 29 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

my timber shed (10x10) was £500 erected about 4 years ago - if that is any sort of guide for you

'lectrics, i ran some SWA under ground, through the wall into the house an had it terminated at the consumer unit (fuse board). you will need a basic "garage consumer unit" for the shed to terminate the other end of the SWA.

Sockets you can wire your self, just use 2.5 cable an daisy chain them all together (creating a ring)

Do you know any friendly electricians?
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PostPosted: 10:04 - 29 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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my timber shed (10x10) was £500 erected about 4 years ago - if that is any sort of guide for you

'lectrics, i ran some SWA under ground, through the wall into the house an had it terminated at the consumer unit (fuse board). you will need a basic "garage consumer unit" for the shed to terminate the other end of the SWA.

Sockets you can wire your self, just use 2.5 cable an daisy chain them all together (creating a ring)

Do you know any friendly electricians?


Thanks for that, I guess £1k for a decent quality one isn't too bad then. I'm guessing you had to get a sparky in to sign off the work you did, or did you get them to install everything? How much did it cost you to get it all wired up? I'd be happy doing everything apart from connecting it to the mains consumer board. I don't really know any tradesmen unfortunately Sad
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PostPosted: 12:31 - 29 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you really need a permanent, underground, electricity supply?
I built a large shed in my garden, some time ago, I used it as a workshop.
I had various power tools, including a wood turning lathe and a bandsaw, plus lighting. Going on the basis that the most I could use at any given time would be lights, lathe and possibly a sander, I simply used a 50m extention lead, never had any problems, over the years I used that set up!
I've know idea what the implications of using a welder would be, if that's what you're looking to do.
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PostPosted: 12:38 - 29 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suntan Sid wrote:
Do you really need a permanent, underground, electricity supply?
I built a large shed in my garden, some time ago, I used it as a workshop.
I had various power tools, including a wood turning lathe and a bandsaw, plus lighting. Going on the basis that the most I could use at any given time would be lights, lathe and possibly a sander, I simply used a 50m extention lead, never had any problems, over the years I used that set up!
I've know idea what the implications of using a welder would be, if that's what you're looking to do.


I'd rather do it as cheaply as possible to be honest, I've just heard horror stories about about peoples houses burning down when using extension leads, but if they could be used safely that would be my preference.

I doubt the load would be very large, I might be using an angle grinder or a drill once in a while but that's about it. However if I could get the whole shed wired up for under £250 I'd probably do that out of convenience.
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PostPosted: 12:43 - 29 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

mine err never actually got signed off, my uncle is a spark he came around an connected each end of the armoured up (plus its a bastard doing the glands properly)

I just did the sockets an strip lights, he checked an said "good to go"

I basically just did the donkey work

should be easily get all bits you need to wire it up for £250 - 25m of 2.5 is about £20

mini cu is about £15 - £20
breaker for main CU - £10?
SWA 2.5 25m is £30 from tool station
glands are about £5
then just sockets and lights
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PostPosted: 13:38 - 29 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

DRZ4Hunned wrote:
I'd rather do it as cheaply as possible to be honest, I've just heard horror stories about about peoples houses burning down when using extension leads, but if they could be used safely that would be my preference.

I doubt the load would be very large, I might be using an angle grinder or a drill once in a while but that's about it. However if I could get the whole shed wired up for under £250 I'd probably do that out of convenience.


I still use the, 4 socket, extension lead I had for the shed, it's rated exactly the same as this one:-

https://www.wickes.co.uk/Wickes-Easi-Reel-Cable-Reel-With-Thermal-Cutout-4-Sockets-50m-13A/p/156279#close

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PostPosted: 14:00 - 29 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Suntan Sid wrote:
DRZ4Hunned wrote:
I'd rather do it as cheaply as possible to be honest, I've just heard horror stories about about peoples houses burning down when using extension leads, but if they could be used safely that would be my preference.

I doubt the load would be very large, I might be using an angle grinder or a drill once in a while but that's about it. However if I could get the whole shed wired up for under £250 I'd probably do that out of convenience.


I still use the, 4 socket, extension lead I had for the shed, it's rated exactly the same as this one:-

https://www.wickes.co.uk/Wickes-Easi-Reel-Cable-Reel-With-Thermal-Cutout-4-Sockets-50m-13A/p/156279#close

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Wound 1080W


Yeah I'll probably go down that route then, I suppose I could always install a more permanent solution when I recover financially from the shed Smile
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PostPosted: 14:34 - 29 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a 15' x 10' wooden shed on a slab base, which I did myself. No problems with it as yet, though I do miss the lack of electrickery. Think I'm going to have an outside socket installed, and just have some sort of circuit set up inside the shed, which I can plug into the outside socket.
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PostPosted: 14:46 - 29 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jewlio Rides Again wrote:
I have a 15' x 10' wooden shed on a slab base, which I did myself. No problems with it as yet, though I do miss the lack of electrickery. Think I'm going to have an outside socket installed, and just have some sort of circuit set up inside the shed, which I can plug into the outside socket.


Yeah that's what I'm leaning towards, I've actually got a external double socket that I can use. Ideally I'll get a couple of 60W strip lights and some double sockets installed, just not sure how I'd connect these to the extension lead I'd be running from the house?
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PostPosted: 14:49 - 29 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jewlio Rides Again wrote:
Think I'm going to have an outside socket installed, and just have some sort of circuit set up inside the shed, which I can plug into the outside socket.


That worked for me, I wired a couple of lights to a plug and hooked them up to the extension lead, I fixed another short, 4 way extension behind the, non portable, lathe and bandsaw and just plugged that into the big extension lead!
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PostPosted: 16:00 - 29 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

DRZ4Hunned wrote:

Ideally I'll get a couple of 60W strip lights


Wasn't there a thread on this recently where someone used strip LEDs? How good are those? Would be a lot cheaper to run I'd guess? Bright enough? Gone to LED bulbs in the house, and they're as bright, if not brighter than the bulbs that were in there when I moved in.
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PostPosted: 16:05 - 29 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Gone to LED bulbs in the house, and they're as bright, if not brighter than the bulbs that were in there when I moved in.

We have various LED bulbs here and I agree. Hated those energy-saving ones Nanny tried to insist we had a few years ago, but LED bulbs I can cope with. The light is good and they generate next to no heat. Puts more strain on the heating though.
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PostPosted: 16:48 - 29 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yap we have gone to led GU10 bulbs all over the house. had to go through a few different colours to find ones that wern't too blue or cold looking though
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PostPosted: 16:48 - 29 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Two flourescent tubes set up in my shed, terminating in a plug top. Thumbs Up
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housings too. It's brighter than my kitchen is. Laughing
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PostPosted: 16:52 - 29 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah I guess you're right about using LED's puts less strain on the extension cable if I do go down that route. I was just assuming more wattage = more light. Smile

Something like this I guess would do fine:

https://www.screwfix.com/p/lap-weatherproof-led-batten-30w-3200lm-6ft/3398g
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PostPosted: 19:22 - 29 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

DRZ4Hunned wrote:
just not sure how I'd connect these to the extension lead I'd be running from the house?


Given the distance from the house & cost of installing cables etc.

Cheap jenny, could be a option.
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PostPosted: 19:42 - 29 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought a load of shielded electrical cabling and dug a trench, then filled it in afterwards.

I put a shxtty consumer unit in the garage and connected it to the consumer unit in the house.

This was back in the days when you could do your own stuff.
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PostPosted: 19:47 - 29 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
DRZ4Hunned wrote:
just not sure how I'd connect these to the extension lead I'd be running from the house?


Given the distance from the house & cost of installing cables etc.

Cheap jenny, could be a option.


I have a garage with no electric and not close enough to my house to run an extension lead. I have a small generator. Its a ball ache.
Any cheap gen is going to be noisy, and you'll need a reasonable size one to run to the same wattage that you can manage from an extension lead.
If I could, I would gladly run an extension lead to my garage. I run one out to my shed that houses a tumble dryer, that's connected with a waterproof plug to an outside socket. It's got a screw on connector and rubber gaskets.
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PostPosted: 21:43 - 29 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got a roll of swa cable off site and have it running down the edge of the garden. Been like that a good few years now.I haven't buried it because I want it in plain view that way you can't damage it accidentally and get water ingress/electrocution. When you bury them you have to consider the current draw too because they heat up more.
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PostPosted: 22:00 - 29 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I got a roll of swa cable off site and have it running down the edge of the garden. Been like that a good few years now.I haven't buried it because I want it in plain view that way you can't damage it accidentally and get water ingress/electrocution. When you bury them you have to consider the current draw too because they heat up more.


Never knew that! My work's putting me through 17th edition sometime this year so I wonder if that would leave me qualified to sign off my own work? Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:34 - 29 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rather than a standard extension lead, you could buy some higher rated cable to reduce the loss over the length of the cable, but I don't think you'll need it unless your running a big heater and demanding power tools.

Link anyway:

https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Main_Index/Cable_Index/Armoured_SWA/index.html


Re generators and my earlier post; ball ache because:
You can't just open the door and turn on a light (unless it's 12v LED connected up to a car battery).
You can't use a trickle charger (unless it's solar).
You can't hear the radio above the din of the 80db gen that's powering it.
If it's hammering down with rain you need to cover the gen outside, or keep the door open while trying not to breathe the fumes and let the rain in.

Don't get me wrong, I'd rather have the gen in my otherwise powerless garage than nothing, but an extension lead would be so much more convenient.
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PostPosted: 00:14 - 30 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I ran some Blagdon cable to my shed, terminated it inside with a wall box. IT's designed to plug into an RCD in the house and run off a standard socket. I got a kit which came with cable, drill bit, RCD. If you need a longer run you can use their waterproof jointing mechanism to link 2 cables.
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PostPosted: 01:31 - 30 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

DRZ4Hunned wrote:
Pete. wrote:
I got a roll of swa cable off site and have it running down the edge of the garden. Been like that a good few years now.I haven't buried it because I want it in plain view that way you can't damage it accidentally and get water ingress/electrocution. When you bury them you have to consider the current draw too because they heat up more.


Never knew that! My work's putting me through 17th edition sometime this year so I wonder if that would leave me qualified to sign off my own work? Laughing



Haha 17th is a Mickey mouse cert to say you can navigate through a book. I would run an extension lead if I were you or pay for a sparky to do it properly.

I can usually tell a Diy job from a mile away and its mostly crap.
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PostPosted: 13:21 - 30 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers guys, I've got lots of options to mull over now Thumbs Up Just need to get the shed up, sure I'll be back with more questions Laughing
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