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PostPosted: 21:38 - 29 Jan 2016    Post subject: What to do with savings/credit ratings etc. Reply with quote

So I'm kinda lazy and keep all my money in one bank account. Every time I go into my bank they ask me if I want a savings account, a loan, a credit card, even once said what I was doing was bad for my credit rating Confused

Thing's I've looked into different saving accounts, ISAs, super ISAs etc. and the interest rates are so low I CBA really. So what do you lot do with your money? Also I've never had any credit, is it really beneficial to have a credit card if you want a mortgage (for example) later on?
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PostPosted: 22:18 - 29 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Strangely to get credit its better if you have a history of this. Although for things like a Mortgage its less of a issue.
If you are good with cash and have plenty in the bank. Then get a credit card. Set up a Full direct debit to pay off each month and use that instead of your debit card.

How much interest do you get on your bank account?

As there are some that actually pay interest that is more than you get in most savings accounts.

Personally I have a Santander 123 acc. 3% on upto £20K. Pays far better interest than any savings I can find that does not require a tie in.
Other bank accounts can pay more 5%, but on far lower amounts.

With a bit of work (setting up standing orders, to meet min credits) you could have a few bank accounts paying good interest all for very little work Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 22:54 - 29 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:

If you are good with cash and have plenty in the bank. Then get a credit card. Set up a Full direct debit to pay off each month and use that instead of your debit card.

Stupid question; do you still pay interest doing that (paying it off straight away)?

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How much interest do you get on your bank account?

Probably nothing, it's just a standard current account Neutral
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PostPosted: 23:55 - 29 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get yourself some premium bonds. They don't decrease, can win stuff, can cash them back in when you need/want to.

Paying off your full balance on a credit card incurs no charges, getting a cash advance on a credit card does.
Get a cashback type credit card, and get something back for spending, only a little, but hey!, free money.
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PostPosted: 00:02 - 30 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
iooi wrote:

If you are good with cash and have plenty in the bank. Then get a credit card. Set up a Full direct debit to pay off each month and use that instead of your debit card.

Stupid question; do you still pay interest doing that (paying it off straight away)?


If you pay the balance off in full by the due date then you won't pay any interest.
Unfortunately this probably won't help your credit rating either because when companies look at you if you want more credit they will see they won't make any money off you.
It's a viscous circle.

I would definitely look at moving to Santander as mentioned for the 3% on balances between 3000 & 20,000
The charge for the 123 account is £5 a month, but if you can get enough DD going out to cover this or more you actually make a bit off them. The fee used to be £2 until Jan this year so I make a little bit less on DD now.
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PostPosted: 04:35 - 30 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

A credit card makes disputing fraudulent transactions much easier. If you ever pay for things by card, using credit gives you a bit more peace of mind.

In the past 15 years, I've needed to dispute four times. Hard to tell where the details were stolen from; sometimes the charges show up from London, others in India, and most recently £1400 in online pharmacy.

You can dispute debit card transactions too, but only after the money comes out of your account. With credit, no need.

This is why I have credit cards. I have never carried a balance across months so I have never accrued interest on the debt.

And fwiw I've never had a term loan in the UK yet was still able to get a chunky mortgage (along with gf).
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PostPosted: 08:05 - 30 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

barrkel wrote:
A credit card makes disputing fraudulent transactions much easier. If you ever pay for things by card, using credit gives you a bit more peace of mind.

In the past 15 years, I've needed to dispute four times. Hard to tell where the details were stolen from; sometimes the charges show up from London, others in India, and most recently £1400 in online pharmacy.

You can dispute debit card transactions too, but only after the money comes out of your account. With credit, no need.

This is why I have credit cards. I have never carried a balance across months so I have never accrued interest on the debt.

And fwiw I've never had a term loan in the UK yet was still able to get a chunky mortgage (along with gf).


Very good points.
Something that didn't cross my mind when posting.
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PostPosted: 08:17 - 30 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have 4 accounts. My current never has more than £100 in incase it gets cloned or something. Then savings, then a simple "withdraw anytime" ISA. Also have a CC which is very handy, I use it 99% of the time unless there's an extra fee for a transaction. Seems confusing but it's all very easily managed.
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PostPosted: 08:26 - 30 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

barrkel wrote:
A credit card makes disputing fraudulent transactions much easier. If you ever pay for things by card, using credit gives you a bit more peace of mind.

Yeah I've heard of this. My bank put a stop on my account twice, once when I took out a mobile phone contract, the other when someone in the Philippines tried to use my card details. TBH I try to use cash wherever possible but I might apply for a credit card the next time my bank ask. Only thing's I've heard being rejected for one can affect your credit rating?

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My current never has more than £100 in incase it gets cloned or
something.

Yeah I really should do the same Embarassed I have another account but it's a basic peasant something or other, still I could move some £££ into there or just use it for online purchases.
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PostPosted: 09:38 - 30 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I can't see a reason not to run a savings and/or ISA alongside a current account, even if you only get 1% or whatever.
With online banking it's so simple to shunt funds back and forth
If you have a debit card on the current and it gets cloned they can't withdraw much if you only keep a few hundred tops in the current.

It is a bit sad how even ISAs now earn peanuts, when I first started one it was over 5% and the monthly interest appearing in current account was quite useful.
There are bond-style things you can get 3% or so but there will be a penalty if you withdraw anything before the agreed time.
That incentive to avoid the temptation to nibble it away is probably no bad thing though.

I'd be a bit concerned about some kind of bank collapse or hack with money held only in one place too.
If things got really grim it might not help but spreading savings around a bit seems worth considering.
The best investment for most is still property of some kind.


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PostPosted: 09:43 - 30 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having a credit card can improve your credit rating - but it also means you have a credit card. If you're good with money, fine. If you're not good with money, you could easily end up spending a lot of money that you don't have.

It is worth having some kind of savings account, not so much for the interest, just to have something separate. One account with money you can spend, one account with money you're not spending.
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PostPosted: 09:44 - 30 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

barrkel wrote:
A credit card makes disputing fraudulent transactions much easier. If you ever pay for things by card, using credit gives you a bit more peace of mind.


Rolling Eyes
No it does not...
Only extra on a credit card is CCA which cover breach of contract and misrepresentation. Not something that comes into play very often given Visa/Mastercards & Amex own schemes, which cover both debit & credit cards.

Fraud on Debit & credit are treated in just the same way.
Google Payment Services Directive for this Thumbs Up (EU does have some good points Laughing )
Either way you end up with your card stopped. And unless there are very goods grounds refunds straight away Thumbs Up

So best advice is to have access to more than 1 card at all times. Number of times I have heard people say "You can't stop my card, It's the only one I've got while on holiday" Shocked
Sorry, it's going to be stopped....

Simply having a credit card will help your credit score. Unless you don't pay it back.
Just don't fall into the trap of paying to see your score through the likes of Experian etc. The figure they display has no meaning to any credit provider. Most will use their own internal scoring systems and just use credit rating co's to see if you are trying to hide anything.

Also many people seem to think that the limit on their accounts cannot be passed, so keep low amounts in there. Well unless you have very bad credit and a restricted account (Got a very bad payment record and usually dealing with the banks credit team). The way most accounts work now is so long as you are back within your account limits by a certain time then you can go through that limit.
So please don't think that only having £100 in a account will stop someone spending more than that Embarassed
The up side is if it's not you then any charges etc are refunded/wiped clean and do not effect your credit rating. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 11:32 - 30 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

doggone wrote:

I'd be a bit concerned about some kind of bank collapse or hack with money held only in one place too.
If things got really grim it might not help but spreading savings around a bit seems worth considering.
The best investment for most is still property of some kind.

I think deposits are guaranteed up to 75k or something. We're talking Golf GTI money here so that rules out any property in the south east Laughing

iooi wrote:

Just don't fall into the trap of paying to see your score through the likes of Experian etc. The figure they display has no meaning to any credit provider. Most will use their own internal scoring systems and just use credit rating co's to see if you are trying to hide anything.

Seen a free one advertised, but I did a Experian trial a while to get a piece of software (trial pay), and couldn't work out wtf it was for. It lists all your past bank accounts etc. as it had an abbey/Santander account listed that I went a tenner overdrawn on (when I was 17) and they closed.
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PostPosted: 11:39 - 30 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stocks and ISAs aside, I run 3 accounts. The first has my salary paid into it, where I then move a fixed amount into a second that covers all my DDs. I live off the first account, and the surplus goes into a third account.

Helps that I'm a spreadsheet junkie.
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PostPosted: 16:34 - 30 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
barrkel wrote:
A credit card makes disputing fraudulent transactions much easier. If you ever pay for things by card, using credit gives you a bit more peace of mind.


Rolling Eyes
No it does not...
Only extra on a credit card is CCA which cover breach of contract and misrepresentation. Not something that comes into play very often given Visa/Mastercards & Amex own schemes, which cover both debit & credit cards.

Fraud on Debit & credit are treated in just the same way.
Google Payment Services Directive for this Thumbs Up (EU does have some good points Laughing )
Either way you end up with your card stopped. And unless there are very goods grounds refunds straight away Thumbs Up

Don't you see the difference between refund of a deduction on your current account vs reversal of a transaction that would turn into debt when your credit card bill arrived?

Check out the random sob stories on the internet, like here: https://www.financial-ombudsman.org.uk/publications/ombudsman-news/89/89-banking-complaints.htm

or here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/1KD40dVs0FmtnRv4ByszLr8/bank-fraud-easy-to-be-a-victim-hard-to-get-your-money-back

Part of the problem is that debit cards are also usually a key to your current account - the same token and data that is exercised in purchases can be used to withdraw from an account. And banks consider the use of the PIN as very strong evidence that the transaction is not fraudulent, or that you were negligent.

As to more than one card: I have two credit cards and generally travel with a currency card as well. I don't use debit cards if I have any question about my trust in the transaction.
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PostPosted: 09:49 - 31 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

barrkel wrote:

Part of the problem is that debit cards are also usually a key to your current account - the same token and data that is exercised in purchases can be used to withdraw from an account. And banks consider the use of the PIN as very strong evidence that the transaction is not fraudulent, or that you were negligent.



And just what links your credit card to that account?
Oh yes. Its the card number. Exactly the same as a debit card transaction. Rolling Eyes
Funny but PIN stands for "personal identification number" which means no one else should know it. The number of people that say "Well YES my family all know it.... And its little jonny that has been taking the card and using it before replacing it .

Do you think it's right that a bank should refund someone when its a known party that is taking the cash?

Yes banks get it wrong sometimes. Which is why they all have complaints teams who work in a different way when looking at each case & FOS.
But you have to remember that the most important information comes from what they are told. And when you know someone is avoiding telling the truth.....
There are a lot of tools available to banks to check on peoples stories, that can and do trip people up when they are spinning a line.....
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PostPosted: 12:54 - 31 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
And just what links your credit card to that account?
Oh yes. Its the card number. Exactly the same as a debit card transaction. Rolling Eyes


Hang on, you think a credit card has a direct link to a current account?

A debit card is linked to a current account because that's where the money is drawn from. A credit card transaction is paid by the issuer of the card, then you pay them, no direct link.
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PostPosted: 14:20 - 31 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm using the 123 current account, interest and cashback gets me around £25 per month from it. Also putting the maximum allowance into a help to buy ISA, as I'm currently saving for a deposit and there's a 25% bonus on that, plus 2% interest as it piles up.
I have a credit card, but don't use it any more. I keep it because it turns out it's the best one for going abroad with (Halifax Clarity) as it doesn't charge anything for use outside the UK.
I did the Experian free trial and it showed my score as 999 somehow. All I've had on credit is my ER6, a few phone contracts and aforementioned credit card.
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PostPosted: 14:23 - 31 Jan 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt B wrote:

Hang on, you think a credit card has a direct link to a current account?

A debit card is linked to a current account because that's where the money is drawn from. A credit card transaction is paid by the issuer of the card, then you pay them, no direct link.


I never mentioned that a CC has a link to your current account. Rolling Eyes

The only link a debit card has to your current account is the 16 digit card number. Thumbs Up
Which is exactly the same as your credit card number has to YOUR credit card account. Thumbs Up


Funny how people think that because your only pay a credit card once a month that they have no direct link....
The direct link is the fact it is YOUR account Embarassed
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PostPosted: 15:43 - 01 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 123 mains account mentioned above is good.

Beware the credit cards though.

They have just put caps on the credit cards - £100 maximum cap on all 1%, 2% and 3% fuel cashback.

So effectively limiting your cashback amount to just £3. (For a heavy fuel user like me.)

Oh, and they put the monthly fee up from £2 to £3, convenient heh?

Can I now cancel my credit card or am I tied in? Never looked at my credit rating before in my life nor I need to, but I don't want something silly to affect it.

Or could I have a winge and get them to waiver my monthly fee lol?

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