bike won't turn over ..?

[rehmh05]

Hi guys. Got a bandit 650 09

It was running spot on. Parked it for a day and got rear tyre changed and it won't turn over now. The headlight comes on and when I push the start button, headlight turns off like when its about to start but it just doesn't turn over.

I don't think battery is the problem because I've hooked it up to a car. Any suggestions? Need bike back on road ASAP. Bump starting isn't an option as no one to push it and don't want to risk dropping it on my own.

Thanks guys
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- CBT 31/10/12 - CBR 125 bought 01/11/12
- Theory: 07/11/12 - Mod 1: 19/11/12 - Mod 2: 28/11/12
- 24/08/13 - Bandit 600

[Nobby the Bastard]

[Rogerborg]

Bit harsh?

Any sound from the starter solenoid? Have you tried shorting the terminals on it with an insulated screwdriver?
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[rehmh05]

Thanks for the replies. I've checked: it's not in gear, the cut off switch isn't activated

Regerborg; I hear something when I turn the switch for a few seconds. Can you explain what u mean by the starter solenoid shorting ?

I was running around trying to fix the car incase bike isn't started so sorry for late replies . I really appreciate the help
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- CBT 31/10/12 - CBR 125 bought 01/11/12
- Theory: 07/11/12 - Mod 1: 19/11/12 - Mod 2: 28/11/12
- 24/08/13 - Bandit 600

[Kawasaki Jimbo]

[rehmh05]

[RhynoCZ]

[Kawasaki Jimbo]

I think my battery question might have been a stupid one but it's too late to delete it!

I was also thinking of the ignition fuse but you say the headlamp responds to the start button by switching off, as expected. Unlikely to be the ignition fuse then, but maybe worth checking it hasn't blown anyway.

[rehmh05]

Can't find new fuses. Will check tomorrow. Thanks guys for the help
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- CBT 31/10/12 - CBR 125 bought 01/11/12
- Theory: 07/11/12 - Mod 1: 19/11/12 - Mod 2: 28/11/12
- 24/08/13 - Bandit 600

[Kawasaki Jimbo]

If a fuse has blown you'll see it.

[rehmh05]

No fuse seems to be blown. Luckily car is ready to be used tomorrow however would rather ride than drive any day.

I'll try testing the voltage etc. Tomorrow to see weather there is any current going to the starter motor and work backwards. Does anyone have a list of things linked to the starting mechanism.... ie. Motor, starter button
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- CBT 31/10/12 - CBR 125 bought 01/11/12
- Theory: 07/11/12 - Mod 1: 19/11/12 - Mod 2: 28/11/12
- 24/08/13 - Bandit 600

[Rogerborg]

Find your starter motor. There will be a fat cable running from it to a solenoid, something like this:

https://tws.dk-server.co.uk/item104222-5b.jpg

Under that translucent cover you can see two big screw erminals. The wire from your starter motor will go to one of them. The other will go to the battery +ve terminal, possibly via a high amperage fuse.

If you pop that cover off and then put the blade of a screwdriver across both terminals, you'll connect the battery +ve direct to the starter motor. It'll will spark up a treat, and be prepared to pull the screwdriver away hard as it might even spot-weld itself to the terminals.

If the starter spins, it's likely that the solenoid is duff. But try cleaning up the connectors anyway. I'm not sure why there are what appears to be 4 low amperage wires going into it, it should only need two. Possibly the others are from whatever sidestand/gear/clutch magic is designed to stop it spinning up while in gear / without the clutch held in or whatever ritual you need.

If the terminals spark but the starter doesn't spin then either your main -ve earth is hooky or the starter is borked.

If the terminals don't spark then you're not getting +ve to the solenoid - check for a blown fuse between it and the battery, although it's high amperage so there may not be one.

A multimeter will take most of the guesswork out of it.
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Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike

[rehmh05]

When I short the solenoid the motor wants to turn but sounds dead. Voltage is reading about 8 volts now.... will give that a good charge. So I'm assuming the solenoid Is knackered??? Is that right ?
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- CBT 31/10/12 - CBR 125 bought 01/11/12
- Theory: 07/11/12 - Mod 1: 19/11/12 - Mod 2: 28/11/12
- 24/08/13 - Bandit 600

[RhynoCZ]

[Rogerborg]

[rehmh05]

[RhynoCZ]

The battery is dead, OP. Or there is a short circuit somewhere. Try a new battery, ask a mate to borrow you his.

Voltage is not everything, the Amps matter as well. Amperes is what defines a performance of a battery, Ah its capacity. That is why you would never start an automobile with a small motorcycle battery, even though it's a 12v one as well.
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'95 Mercedes-Benz w202 C200 CGI, '98 Mercedes-Benz w210 E200 Kompressor

[rehmh05]

[weasley]

So perhaps the solenoid has failed or stuck. Can you bump-start it? (ie push the bike along, put it in gear and release the clutch, like push-starting a car)?
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[Pete.]

[rehmh05]

Son of a ************ some idiot's broke the clutch switch!!!

Wasted my entire day getting batteries etc. ....

Thank you millions RhynoCZ and everyone else for you input. Ive shorted the clutch switch and can start it for now. Thank the lord!!! Will order the clutch switch ASAP....

Thanks once again BCF community.

Will post the pic as soon as.....
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- CBT 31/10/12 - CBR 125 bought 01/11/12
- Theory: 07/11/12 - Mod 1: 19/11/12 - Mod 2: 28/11/12
- 24/08/13 - Bandit 600

[rehmh05]

https://i66.tinypic.com/2ns6gc8.jpg
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- CBT 31/10/12 - CBR 125 bought 01/11/12
- Theory: 07/11/12 - Mod 1: 19/11/12 - Mod 2: 28/11/12
- 24/08/13 - Bandit 600

[Rogerborg]

[RhynoCZ]

Cool you've found the culprit. I completely forgot there was a clutch kill switch. I do recall my mate's SV1000 needed the clutch lever to be squeezed when starting the engine, even though he was in neutral with the side stand up.
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'87 Honda XBR 500, '96 Kawasaki ZX7R P1, '90 Honda CB-1, '88 Kawasaki GPz550, MZ 150 ETZ
'95 Mercedes-Benz w202 C200 CGI, '98 Mercedes-Benz w210 E200 Kompressor

[Kawasaki Jimbo]

Regarding the need to have the clutch in to start, regardless of what the other safety switches are doing, isn't that a quirk of all Suzukis? Never had one but I read that somewhere, I think.