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MedicalBiker
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PostPosted: 21:28 - 03 Feb 2016    Post subject: Waterproofing new leathers? Reply with quote

So I'm still in my 1st year of riding, have recently moved from textiles to leathers purely for a safety point of view rather than aesthetics or anything. Purchased myself some RST Blade jacket & trousers, and some A* SP8 gloves (although I'm struggling to find inners that actually fit inside these!).

I commute about 7 miles to work, I'm just wondering if there is any way to add some waterproofing to the leathers. I don't mind getting a bit damp in a shower but am just wondering if I can improve it at all.
I currently wear some of my rugby skins under the trousers and a hiking base layer under the jacket with either a tshirt or long sleeved top.

I've got leather a cleaner and a conditioner but I don't think these waterproof do they?
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PostPosted: 08:42 - 04 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leathers are not waterproof whatever you do

Ware and over suit
or get Cordura gear

Me I gave up on leather 20 years ago
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PostPosted: 08:46 - 04 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

An inexpensive oversuit is what you're after. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 08:51 - 04 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ghetto glove inners? Try thin latex gloves. They transformed my 2 hour ride home at *70mph on Sunday


*other speeds are available
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PostPosted: 08:59 - 04 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ghetto inner gloves are gloves nicked from your local go karting place. Wink
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PostPosted: 09:06 - 04 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Woo. Yay

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PostPosted: 09:08 - 04 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smiler: If leather isn't waterproof, why are cows not full of water?
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PostPosted: 09:29 - 04 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leather is just prosesed skin OK very thick skin but like our skin it is not waterproof
Skin is designed to pass water sweat etc
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PostPosted: 09:33 - 04 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

davebike wrote:
Leather is just prosesed skin OK very thick skin but like our skin it is not waterproof
Skin is designed to pass water sweat etc

Smiler: Leather isn't waterproof, I'm waterproof and that is what makes my leather waterproof.
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PostPosted: 09:45 - 04 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've used Nikwax for years. The milky milky white fluid, not the wax stuff.
Numerous applications (like every evening for a week) does a pretty decent impression of waterproof. I have a 10 year old heavy leather jacket that I've ridden in torrential rain without getting wet at all which surprised me. I thought I'd get some dampness through on some of the seams, but it was fine. The cheap waterproof over-trousers I had were a different story and I ended up with cold wet balls and soaked jeans. Sad
I think the jacket did well as there was a flap covering the front zip, and otherwise minimal stitching (not lots of panels).

Waterproofing your leathers will at the very least stop them soaking up the rain and taking quite so long to dry out. Well worth doing in my opinion, but if it's hammering down I do have a pair of army goretex overtrousers and a plastic over jacket.

For light showers, I would say it could be enough. Not expensive to try out, just give it a few coats of the stuff to start with.
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PostPosted: 09:46 - 04 Feb 2016    Post subject: Re: Waterproofing new leathers? Reply with quote

MedicalBiker wrote:
have recently moved from textiles to leathers purely for a safety point of view rather than aesthetics or anything.

How far do you expect to slide along the road before you hit anything?

Any oil based substance can be used to make leather antipathetic to water. Dubbin, saddle/harness oil, skin moisturiser, I've tried goose grease on replica medieval shoes and sunflower oil when nothing else was to hand.

Seams, well, good luck. I do have a lightweight fashion-victim leather jacket that has done pretty well in heavy rain after multiple gloopings with dubbin worked into the seams while being softened with a hair dryer.

But really, either a one piece suit or 2 piece mix-and-match. Bear in mind that (if you're not zipping it to the trousers) you can wear your leather jacket over the waterproof later in order to ensure that the honeys still gush.
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PostPosted: 11:17 - 04 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Leather can be made more waterproof at the tanning stage and regular treatment will help keep it that way but 'shower proof' is a better description.
It will itself gradually become wet even if water doesn't get inside for an hour or so.
Seams will inevitably let wet through especially after a bit of wear.
You can get leather gloves which are more or less waterproof due to how they are constructed.

As above, you need a lightweight oversuit or at least over-trousers which ideally fit under the seat or something.
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PostPosted: 11:30 - 04 Feb 2016    Post subject: Re: Waterproofing new leathers? Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

How far do you expect to slide along the road before you hit anything?


Not very, but it's more that in the event of a pelvic break/fracture the leathers will act more as a pelvic binder than textiles would, same for a collar bone, femur etc. just from the injuries i've seen in my experience that's all.

Cool thanks all, I suppose I should've really said shower proof in the first place, in heavy rain I would whack on my 2 piece waterproofs for sure!

jnw010 wrote:

I've used Nikwax for years. The milky milky white fluid, not the wax stuff.


is this the stuff you're on about? I used it on my gloves and it's a fairly runny white/cream colour

https://www.nikwax.com/en-gb/products/productdetail.php?productid=499
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PostPosted: 11:38 - 04 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Silver_Fox wrote:
Yay


Oh no you didn't.

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PostPosted: 13:30 - 04 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 13:50 - 04 Feb 2016    Post subject: Re: Waterproofing new leathers? Reply with quote

MedicalBiker wrote:
is this the stuff you're on about? I used it on my gloves and it's a fairly runny white/cream colour

https://www.nikwax.com/en-gb/products/productdetail.php?productid=499



Looking at their website they seem to have more and more versions, I think the stuff I'e used is this:

https://www.nikwax.co.uk/en-gb/products/productdetail.php?productid=88&itemid=-1&fabricid=-1
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PostPosted: 00:28 - 07 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use nikwax gloveproof on my waterproof gloves as it stops the outer getting as wet through and doesnt make them slippery. My rst jacket and trousers are a matt finish, so i use carr day and martin leather dressing, its like saddle soap but doesnt shine. If the leather is supposed to be shiny belvoir saddle soap. Don't use either on fully analine leather, is ok on semi analine. My trousers leak through the sporty stretch panels, the jacket is now decently showerproof. Beyond withstanding a shower, it's a cheap 2 part rainsuit, or waterproof textiles, or both.
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PostPosted: 06:31 - 07 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

there is a leather varnish on the market that can waterproof them
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PostPosted: 03:10 - 08 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a bit vague. I wouldn't use a leather varnish on motorcycle leathers though, they are supposed to be flexible and a bit breathable.
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PostPosted: 06:20 - 08 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not sure what they've done to them, but I have a pair of BMW Leatherguard Goretex leather trousers. The leather on them never wets out like my (non-Goretex) leather jacket does, but they do appear to be breathable. After a really wet day they are damp but dry quite quickly.
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PostPosted: 12:31 - 08 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

bamt wrote:
I'm not sure what they've done to them, but I have a pair of BMW Leatherguard Goretex leather trousers. The leather on them never wets out like my (non-Goretex) leather jacket does, but they do appear to be breathable. After a really wet day they are damp but dry quite quickly.


I think these are discontinued now although you did prompt me to look at 'waterproof leathers'. Didn't realise you can get leathers that have waterproof inner liners, I think with some TLC these could survive the occasional heavy downpour and not degrade too much.

Think I may look to that in a years time or so when I take my unrestricted test
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PostPosted: 13:39 - 08 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

MedicalBiker wrote:
Think I may look to that in a years time or so when I take my unrestricted test

Because you won't get cold or wet until you're on a Fireblade? Eh?
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PostPosted: 13:53 - 08 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Because you won't get cold or wet until you're on a Fireblade? Eh?


You don't get cold and wet on a Fireblade at all. The appalling state of Honda's electrics means that a continual series of small fires and overcooked reg/recs keeps the rider warm and dry.
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PostPosted: 19:15 - 08 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
Because you won't get cold or wet until you're on a Fireblade? Eh?


haha no, just because I'd rather shell out a large chunk of money all in one go and also it gives me a bit of time to get used to the new gear I have now, albeit even if it's wearing waterproofs on top
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