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PostPosted: 16:12 - 05 Feb 2016    Post subject: Dropped Bike Now Loss of Power & Engine Cuts Out Reply with quote

Hi guys, bought myself a GSF600 Y the other day and on my first outing everything was going fine, it would accelerate extremely fast, I was sliding off the seat at times, and this is with a restrictor fitted!

Sadly on my way home I went to do a u-turn on a slight incline and dropped the bike on its right side, it was laying with the seat facing down the hill, so that's beyond a 90 degrees! Anyway the brake lever snapped but it was also cutting out constantly and had a severe lack of power, it revs very low by default, even after warming up. I've looked around on the internet and people have mentioned the electrics have been affected during a loss of power, but all my lights and indicators seem fine.

I feel as though dropping it has had oil or fuel or god knows what else go somewhere its not supposed to be, and that's the reason for the dip in power (its very noticeable, feels like I'm riding a 125!) . So what I'm hoping for is somebody can tell me a) what may be affected (eg. fuel in air filer) and b) how difficult it would be to check and sort myself? I'm not asking for a step by step guide of course, but if you give me the correct terminology for each possible issue I can google how to get to those places and clean / replace them. As I'm not exactly experienced doing anything more than changing spark plugs and such.

Thanks in advance!

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PostPosted: 17:25 - 05 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

you said it damage the front brake lever, have you check the brakes aren't stuck on?
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PostPosted: 17:35 - 05 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

chris-red wrote:
you said it damage the front brake lever, have you check the brakes aren't stuck on?


I haven't but I've wheeled it around and it seems to be moving at the same speed as previously. Its more of a dip in power more than anything. I probably should have mentioned it will occur when putting on the throttle when moving off from a traffic light. For example, I'll twist the throttle, it will begin to move then suddenly lose momentum, often stalling. If it were the brakes that surely wouldn't affect the revs when on the throttle, right?
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PostPosted: 17:44 - 05 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's a drain for the airbox, look for a plugged hose that exits underneath the bike near the oil level window. See what comes out.

Look in tank, check uou have fuel.

Check engine cases for damage.

Turn fuel tap to prime, if you have emptied a carb it might need refilling manually.

Check spark plug caps all on securely, check you have a spark to all plugs, visually check wiring loom for damage. Take tank off, visual inspection of top of engine and loom, check air filter. Check oil level.

Is one or more of your exhaust headers cooler than the rest? Use spit or water spray not your fingers.
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PostPosted: 17:54 - 05 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

talkToTheHat wrote:


Is one or more of your exhaust headers cooler than the rest? Use spit or water spray not your fingers.


Man up and use your fingers! Check the spark plugs are not flooded and make sure you have not knocked a lead off.
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PostPosted: 18:16 - 05 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Man up and use your penis!


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PostPosted: 18:22 - 05 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

At least use the hair on the back of your fingers rather than grabbing headers with fingers. Yeah it's a laff to watch a newbie lose their fingertips on the one hot header, but its no fun to learn that way.

And nobby, YKIOK provided the bike owner consents....
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PostPosted: 19:01 - 05 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd suggest you might have dislodged the pick-up coil (aka crankshaft position sensor) behind the engine casing or knocked the magnetism out of it.
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PostPosted: 19:11 - 05 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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or knocked the magnetism out of it.


Are you fucking mental? A pickup coil isn't magnetic. It's a fucking coil.The moving asymetric metal shape of the end of the crank induces a current through the coil, the coil isn't magnetic.
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PostPosted: 20:34 - 05 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
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or knocked the magnetism out of it.


Are you fucking mental? A pickup coil isn't magnetic. It's a fucking coil.The moving asymetric metal shape of the end of the crank induces a current through the coil, the coil isn't magnetic.


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PostPosted: 20:38 - 05 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kawasaki Jimbo wrote:
Nobby the Bastard wrote:


Are you fucking mental? A pickup coil isn't magnetic. It's a fucking coil.The moving asymetric metal shape of the end of the crank induces a current through the coil, the coil isn't magnetic.


Yes.
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Please look up 'magnetic induction' before you make yourself look any stupider.
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PostPosted: 21:26 - 05 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

After some fuel and cleaning plugs (or maybe it was just leaving it to sit for a while) the bike seems to no longer be cutting out and revving low. However the acceleration is still an issue.

talkToTheHat wrote:
There's a drain for the airbox, look for a plugged hose that exits underneath the bike near the oil level window. See what comes out.


There is a tube in this location but its not plugged and it doesn't seem to have or (at the time of the drop) had anything coming out. would unplugging it (were it actually plugged) release whatever's in there?

talkToTheHat wrote:

Check engine cases for damage.


The engine starter crank casing (that's the name of the big round one right?) looks to have taken most of the blow.

talkToTheHat wrote:

Check spark plug caps all on securely, check you have a spark to all plugs, visually check wiring loom for damage. Take tank off, visual inspection of top of engine and loom, check air filter. Check oil level.

Is one or more of your exhaust headers cooler than the rest? Use spit or water spray not your fingers.


Spark plugs all seem fine, gave em a clean and put em back in, will double check later if they actually have the spark, but I believe they do.

I'll take a look at the wiring loom proper on Sunday (next time I'm home), as well as top of engine, filter and exhaust headers. Oil level can just be checked on the side of engine with the little window right?

Thanks for the help, is there any chance a problem like this would solve itself after some more riding or do you think it will persist? I'll be opening it up regardless but I just spent £200 getting this thing running proper as it had been sitting with the last owner for over a year. I really don't want to spend more and hope I'll be able to resolve this myself.
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PostPosted: 21:50 - 05 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Take it for a run and give it the beans, I think this will sort most of your problems.
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PostPosted: 22:19 - 05 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Check the air filter, and that you still have the correct amount of oil in the sump, because it can find its way into the airbox when bike is on its side.
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PostPosted: 22:34 - 05 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ariel Badger wrote:
Take it for a run and give it the beans, I think this will sort most of your problems.


Thanks, that'll be happening either way Wink

kramdra wrote:

Check the air filter, and that you still have the correct amount of oil in the sump, because it can find its way into the airbox when bike is on its side.


I'll get on that. If it has found its way into the airbox, will that need looking at? Thanks also!
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PostPosted: 01:04 - 06 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, trace the unplugged tube you've found, if it goes up into the airbox you need to plug it as it'll play games with your mixture. There's an unplugged thinner one futher back, i think that's the battery tray drain. I'll do photos if mine tomorrow.
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PostPosted: 09:16 - 06 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nobby the Bastard wrote:
Please look up 'magnetic induction' before you make yourself look any stupider.


I was hoping for a treatise.

Would sir have been happier with "desensitised"? Or "broken"?

Anyway, getting back to the magnetism, just sweep it up and pour it back in.
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PostPosted: 23:47 - 07 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay so with the brief amount of time I had today I went to switch the bike on and noticed the fuel light on, crazy since I'd just filled it up the night before! I'm guessing something is definitely wrong as that fuel has to have gone somewhere and its not on my garage floor.

Again I've not had time to follow up on the troubleshooting options you guys have given, I will be doing this tomorrow after work. However does what I've described above (mysterious disappearing fuel) sounds like it could be a result of the unplugged tube playing games with the mixture or one of the floats stuck open?

My neighbor helped me out getting the thing moving after it had been sitting but he did it cheap so I don't want to be pestering him again and I'm a little embarrassed of the whole situation!
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PostPosted: 02:52 - 08 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you have more oil than you should? Is it thin and smelling of petrol?
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PostPosted: 18:01 - 08 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Vincent wrote:
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My neighbor helped me out getting the thing moving after it had been sitting but he did it cheap so I don't want to be pestering him again and I'm a little embarrassed of the whole situation!


Try the bacon sandwich and mug of tea approach Wink


He's going to take a look at it some time this week. He recons its the floats as you mentioned. I think I'm going to owe him more than a sandwich and hot drink! Maybe he needs his law mowing or something? I can handle that much.
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PostPosted: 18:45 - 08 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think I'm going to owe him more than a sandwich and hot drink!

Washing up liquid hand job?
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Ariel Badger wrote:
cleggy92 wrote:
I think I'm going to owe him more than a sandwich and hot drink!

Washing up liquid hand job?

I've got a bit of a thing for hydraulic fluid at the moment!
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PostPosted: 19:43 - 11 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

It sounds like you've traced it to a fuelling-related issue, but if anyone wants to see a spare pick-up coil (late '90's Kawasaki or Yamaha, your choice) stuck to my "magnetic" garage door, car, bicycle, whatever, let me know. Fact is there are different types and the ones I've encountered have a ferrite core. I could be wrong but I suspect yours is too. It may also be perfectly positioned to suffer a damaging blow when the bike is dropped.
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