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Yes, needed both ends. Full size, vertically mounted.
Partner might be pulled in the cases you mention, and according to Highway Code should remove the plates, but it's probably going to be difficult to put them off and on a bike, so I'd guess any police would be understanding.
This is all in the HC, btw, which you should be cramming if you're new on the roads/adding bike  ____________________ Honda Varadero 125cc => Suzuki Bandit 650 33bhp => 77bhp =>
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 Posted: 07:15 - 08 Feb 2016 Post subject: Re: L Plate question(s) |
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Yes. Front and back.
You are supposed to remove them when being riden by a fully licenced rider.
I'll let you guess what the answer is to the other 2 question;s given what a "L" plated rider CAN'T do.... ____________________ Just because my bike was A DIVVY, does not mean i am...... |
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 Posted: 08:29 - 08 Feb 2016 Post subject: Re: L Plate question(s) |
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Oh dear. I'm going to have to go in dry on this one. Mad love.
| arry wrote: | | pinkyfloyd wrote: | He has to remove them, the only motorcycles allowed to have L plates on with a full licence holder are training school bikes. . |
Are you sure? I don't believe there's anything in legislation |
There's nothing. Highway code spergs "Plates should be removed or covered when not being driven by a learner (except on driving school vehicles)." but there's no Act creating an offence or Regulation specifying the details.
That said, I'd probably put a line of electrical tape over them anyway, since Constable McRant might not agree, and can find some other way to ruin your day when you invite him to do one.
| pinkyfloyd wrote: | You can pretty much expect a fine in the post, most motoways these days have ANPR camera coverage and L plates on the motorway will be spotted. |
Automatic Number Plate Recognition, not L plates. Why would they look for a plate that doesn't signify that an offence is being committed?
| pinkyfloyd wrote: | If the bike is licenced to a learner |
That would require DVLA and DVSA to talk to each other. Also, the registered keeper is not necessarily the driver. A business owner could be banned but still keep vehicles that his monkeys drive.
| pinkyfloyd wrote: | Using the motorway on L plates |
No such offence. You can get an MW10 for using a motorway without a license, but the plates are neither here nor there.
| pinkyfloyd wrote: | and trying to prove it was not the learner on the bike would be next to impossible. |
You'd fill in the Section 172 and that would be the end of it. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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 Posted: 13:26 - 08 Feb 2016 Post subject: Re: L Plate question(s) |
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| pinkyfloyd wrote: | According to the DVSA at Cardington while I was under assessment he informed us bike schools and Cardington assessors have a special dispensation but you are not allowed to ride on L plates if you are a full licence holder. |
As always, when someone tells you that you're "not allowed" to do something, the response should be:
What's the offence? What Act? What Regulations?
As an instructor, you'll be familiar with the Highway Code, right?
Here's what it says about L plates:
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/the-highway-code/annex-3-motor-vehicle-documentation-and-learner-driver-requirements
| Highway Code wrote: | Any vehicle driven by a learner MUST display red L plates. In Wales, either red D plates, red L plates, or both, can be used. Plates MUST conform to legal specifications and MUST be clearly visible to others from in front of the vehicle and from behind. Plates should be removed or covered when not being driven by a learner (except on driving school vehicles). |
Note "MUST" vs "should".
Here's the legislation that it cites supporting that paragraph.
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1999/2864/regulation/16/made
https://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1999/2864/schedule/4/made
There's no other secret legislation. Really, that's it. There's not one word in there prohibiting display of L plates on a vehicle not being driven by the holder of a provisional license, and if there was, there's no "dispensation" for training school vehicles.
Highway Code made it up, Charlie Cardigan faithfully repeated it, and now you're doing the same. Sads, I has them.  ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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The trade when riding a customers bike with L plates fro more than a very short round the block put black tape across the L
Yes I have been stopped with L plates displayed as my riding didn't look like a learner and I was reminded to tape the plates ____________________ Dave
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I'm also wondering what sort of riding leads to being suspected of not being a Learner.
Anything over 125, it'd be a question of "Where's your license then?"
A C90 or 125? In London? Half of them are Life Long Learners, right? So what form of riding would be cocky enough to be considered suspicious for a "learner", but would fall short of being fingered for the riding itself?
Story is about as convincing as one of BodyGuard's "close protection" yarns. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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For me it was please tape makes our work easer ____________________ Dave
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fuk u n ur reasonable response. We demand drama!  ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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"I then observified that the particular individual had entaped over their L plates, thereby achieving complete removitude of any reasonful suspection that they might not be riding fullmost accordingly with their license."
C. Dimbleby, 1984 ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
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Old Thread Alert!
The last post was made 9 years, 323 days ago. Instead of replying here, would creating a new thread be more useful? |
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