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dpirie76
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PostPosted: 10:34 - 17 Feb 2016    Post subject: Abandoned ZZR600 - Scrap or self break & eBay parts? Reply with quote

Firstly, apologies if this is the wrong forum for this post, if it is, where would be the right place to post this?

I'm not a biker (please don't hate me) so may not be using the right terms, bear with me.

Backstory - My mum has been leasing a house to a guy for the last 6 years, last year he stopped paying the rent, 6 months later, he's out and disappeared leaving debt and a house full of his tat, including a Kawasaki ZZR600 1993 plate (30k odd on the clock) in the garage.
We found the docs. for it in the house, and have had the DVLA transfer keeper(Ship?) over to us.

We have no key for it, it's got rust on the brake disks, and is pretty difficult to push around (Don't know if this is normal for a bike of this size, or if it's seized).

Is it worth me listing it on eBay?
Breaking it up and selling individual parts?
Or just letting it go to a scrappy for peanuts?

Personally, I don't mind spending time stripping it if it will yeild some dosh. I'd like to get some money back from the greasy prick who used to live here, at the least to cover the 2 skips we had to get to dispose of his crap.

Any help VERY much appreciated.

I can provide pics, location etc if need.

All the best, thanks for reading.

Daniel.
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PostPosted: 11:31 - 17 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

So you've stolen a bike, legit brah.

It is still his bike despite what name the docs in. I'd just leave it outside and hope it goes walkies... not before sending the V5 off with his details added back on there.
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PostPosted: 12:00 - 17 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, yeah.
Sure looks like that, eh?

As we had a TORT notice pertaining to unpaid rent over the course of the 6 months, anything left on our land became our property.
He had moved out a couple of days before the bailiffs were due, with the bike locked in our garage, for which he had left the key along with the other keys for the property.
We contacted the police and the DVLA with all the relevant legal documents and have had it transferred over to us, the VC5 is in our name now.
If you think that this is a more serious legal mater, then I will look into it further, however, that being said, the legality of it is by the by.

I just would like some help in working out the best way to shift it.

Thanks for your thoughts, brah.
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PostPosted: 12:20 - 17 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

dpirie76 wrote:
TORT notice


Hang on, it's not that simple.

From what I understand you do have the power to sell abandoned goods but you must serve notice correctly first, and give a period of time for them to be collected. After this you sell but the proceeds go to the owner/your tenant and you can take your costs out of it, that's all.

Get some proper advice before you do anything, people have been sued over this before. maybe Roger will arrive shortly with something more knowledgeable.

In the meantime read the Statutory Power of Sale bit on here https://www.letlink.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=269%3Aabandonment-what-to-do-with-goods-left-at-the-property&catid=17%3Aabandonment&Itemid=100051
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PostPosted: 12:32 - 17 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

dpirie76 wrote:
the VC5 is in our name now.


Could be in my name, still owned by another, you are just responsible for the duty on it.
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PostPosted: 12:35 - 17 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, Matt.

Thanks for reading.
All of the correct procedures were followed, proper notice periods given and served and all the papers from the courts properly processed.
We have dated photographs of the TORT notice on the property for the correct periods before and after the eviction date.
Mum works in the letting industry and has dealt with many eviction cases in the past, and has researched this in great detail for fear of legal repercussions.

I appreciate the link you have provided, and will read through it later.

In the meantime, I would like some advice on getting rid of this beast.
The sodding thing has been in the way for nearly a year now and we really want it gone.
I'm just hoping to get some advice as to whether to scrap it, eBay whole or strip it.

Thanks again.

Daniel.
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dpirie76
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PostPosted: 12:42 - 17 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, Paddy,
yeah, I understand that, just testing the waters as to what to do with this thing.

All good advice.
Thanks for your input.

Daniel.
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PostPosted: 12:50 - 17 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it was me, I'd contact the guy and say your bike is here, the V5 is back in your name, its on the road. It is your responsibility to pick it up.

No tax and insurance, it'll get taken instantly.
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PostPosted: 12:51 - 17 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Breaking is such a pain, and you'll be left with a load of bits. If I were you I'd see if I could get it MOT'd. If you can't ride the bike, then maybe just stick it on ebay and see what happens?
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PostPosted: 12:57 - 17 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like MarJay said. If you are confident that all the boxes have been ticked legally then stick it on ebay, auction format with no reserve. Take some decent pictures, make sure you show the faults and describe them. You will get a whole load of time wasting muppets asking dumb questions but if you just want to get rid it's probably less grief than trying to break it for parts.
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PostPosted: 14:40 - 17 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Considering a ZZR600 in decent nick goes for only £700-800 ish, I'd just shove it straight on ebay as a spares and repairs. If the fairings are all in good nick (not cracked, split, scratched or glued back together) you may get a few hundred for it, but otherwise you should make a least a couple of hundred.

Good nick fairings for these are scarce, everything else on the bike is two a penny on ebay.
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PostPosted: 14:42 - 17 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you just want rid of it, out of your garage and off your property, I'll take it off your hands.

Location dependent, this weekend.
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PostPosted: 14:46 - 17 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

sell it complete, much less hassle, and by the time you keep re-listing the parts that don't sell first time you can end up out of pocket in e-bay fees.

List it as a barn find, classic, restoration project that will add 25% to the sell price straight away.
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PostPosted: 15:19 - 17 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

The tricky bit is proving ownership. As others have mentioned, V5 is not proof of ownership. Do you have anything else to say that you own the bike?

If I knew the back story, I wouldn't buy the bike - there is a chance of the previous owner coming after me to recover his property. He might win and that would leave me without the bike or the money, he might lose but I would still have to put up with the hassle.

Also, if I bought a bike on ebay and then found out the back story, I'd be pissed off.

So if you have something to prove ownership of the bike, stick it on ebay as-is. If you don't, stick on gumtree.
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PostPosted: 16:11 - 17 Feb 2016    Post subject: Re: Abandoned ZZR600 - Scrap or self break & eBay parts? Reply with quote

You will get something from breaking it, but don't expect the pay back to be too fast for a model like that - something like a eight year old R6 you'd probably shift a profitable amount of bits quickly.

If it's easy to MOT, I'd do that, otherwise sell it as it is and move on.
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PostPosted: 17:50 - 17 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 18:03 - 17 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Give it a good wash, wheel it out into the sun on a tidy bit of ground/road, take some decent pics and 99p it on ebay, 10 day auction.
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PostPosted: 18:41 - 17 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a scooter that was abandoned at my workshop for over a year with money owing on it.

I had no response from the owner after many tries through various means.

So upon talking with the police and dvla I was advised to send off a v5c to force a response from the owner....which it did once he got the letter telling him someone else was trying to register it.

Told the owner over the phone to collect it within 2 weeks and if he didnt want it, then to let the v5 transfer into my name so I could sell it to recoup my costs. The latter is what ended up happening.

I have another bike that has now been owing payment for a year and again, no response from the owner....
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PostPosted: 18:59 - 17 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

evoboy wrote:
I had a scooter that was abandoned at my workshop for over a year with money owing on it.

I had no response from the owner after many tries through various means.

So upon talking with the police and dvla I was advised to send off a v5c to force a response from the owner....which it did once he got the letter telling him someone else was trying to register it.

Told the owner over the phone to collect it within 2 weeks and if he didnt want it, then to let the v5 transfer into my name so I could sell it to recoup my costs. The latter is what ended up happening.

I have another bike that has now been owing payment for a year and again, no response from the owner....


Did you get a letter from the owner saying it was now yours or just went with the V5?
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PostPosted: 19:38 - 17 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where you and how much?
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PostPosted: 21:20 - 17 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Polarbear wrote:
evoboy wrote:
I had a scooter that was abandoned at my workshop for over a year with money owing on it.

I had no response from the owner after many tries through various means.

So upon talking with the police and dvla I was advised to send off a v5c to force a response from the owner....which it did once he got the letter telling him someone else was trying to register it.

Told the owner over the phone to collect it within 2 weeks and if he didnt want it, then to let the v5 transfer into my name so I could sell it to recoup my costs. The latter is what ended up happening.

I have another bike that has now been owing payment for a year and again, no response from the owner....


Did you get a letter from the owner saying it was now yours or just went with the V5?


Went with the V5.

The reason I sent off the V5 was to more to provoke a response rather than to claim 'ownership'. It might be a bit different for me being a business and the owner owing me money for work done for a long period of time. I did get verbal confirmation from the owner and I did record the call to cover myself.

I did keep the scooter for a month after the V5 came back into my name, just incase he decided otherwise and I could just sign it back into his name upon the bill being paid. The scooter was a wreck and hadnt been MOT'ed or taxed for 3 years previous, even thought he rode it in.... The sale of the scoot didnt even cover the bill.

What else are you meant to do after you have exhausted every possibility to contact the owner for a year?
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PostPosted: 00:31 - 18 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello, everyone. Thanks for all your help.
The legal beagles are getting on it as we speak. (ish)
Much appreciated.

For those asking, we're in Newmarket.
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PostPosted: 11:30 - 18 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

so youre getting people who know the law to look into it now.. after you applied for the v5?

you know at any point he can come and request his bike back... you dont have a receipt from him saying its yours.
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PostPosted: 12:08 - 18 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, do cool those hot flushes. Half the bikes on Gumtree are far more dodgy and zero fu​cks are given by anyone.
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PostPosted: 12:13 - 18 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sell it as is, job done. Thumbs Up
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