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PostPosted: 13:32 - 18 Feb 2016    Post subject: Wireless Music Solution Reply with quote

I have been tasked by my parents to sort a wireless music set up for their house, as they are renovating.
I have looked at things like Sonos, but not sure if I can justify the cost. Are there any similar solutions out there which will be better suited, and scalable? (Will need speakers for 3/4 rooms)

They are currently uploading 600 CD's to iTunes Laughing and have asked if they should get an iPod or similar to play them from.
I am going to propose a micro server or similar for their main music library.
Does anyone have experience setting one up with a wireless speaker set up. And what do you use as a controller?

They most difficult part is they also want to be able to play from CD's and Vinyl! Is this doable?
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PostPosted: 14:00 - 18 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Logitech Squeezeboxes are very good.

They stopped making them a few years ago so you'd have to go seconhand/refurbished/old stock.
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PostPosted: 14:10 - 18 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

A micro server or similar for their main music library, alternatively they could just subscribe to Spotify. Wink
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PostPosted: 15:08 - 18 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've recently told them of the wonders of Spotify, not sure it will catch on with them though.

My dad has a lot of very niche music anyway so doubt it will meet all of his needs.
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PostPosted: 15:45 - 18 Feb 2016    Post subject: Re: Wireless Music Solution Reply with quote

Paris2 wrote:
I have been tasked by my parents to sort a wireless music set up for their house, as they are renovating.
I have looked at things like Sonos, but not sure if I can justify the cost. Are there any similar solutions out there which will be better suited, and scalable? (Will need speakers for 3/4 rooms)

They are currently uploading 600 CD's to iTunes Laughing and have asked if they should get an iPod or similar to play them from.
I am going to propose a micro server or similar for their main music library.
Does anyone have experience setting one up with a wireless speaker set up. And what do you use as a controller?

They most difficult part is they also want to be able to play from CD's and Vinyl! Is this doable?


For ease of use because old people are old, reliability, and the fact they are using itunes...

Cough for the sonos kit.

It's good. Really good.

I have the Play:5 and the Play:1, both are awesome.
They tie in with itunes, spotify, and locally stored digital media.
The controller is an application for your phone, tablet and pc/laptop.

I know it's pricey but its deffo worth the money.
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PostPosted: 16:05 - 18 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers Cansa, I'll look in to it more seriously and check what their budget is.
I assume the Sonos controller can connect to just about anything to get the music library? Does this need to be an App, or do Sonos make some sort of control unit that can be used instead?
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PostPosted: 16:11 - 18 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have all my music on my microserver.
Once you show the app where all the media is, it gets added to the sonos library.
This info is stored across all sonos devices, not on the application.

I also stream live radio, and sometimes use speakers for the TV too.
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PostPosted: 17:52 - 18 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

panrider_uk wrote:
Logitech Squeezeboxes are very good.

They stopped making them a few years ago so you'd have to go seconhand/refurbished/old stock.


I still use a boom as my alarm clock. You can make your own player for this using a rPi ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86iptoT0TDY

Still haven't got round to the case for it.. :/

but easy to do... Also use Squeeze Commander on android for control.

However, in reality, just fork out for Sonos unless you want to be providing support forever...
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PostPosted: 17:53 - 18 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

ScaredyCat wrote:
panrider_uk wrote:
Logitech Squeezeboxes are very good.

They stopped making them a few years ago so you'd have to go seconhand/refurbished/old stock.


You can make your own player for this using a rPi ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86iptoT0TDY

Still haven't got round to the case for it.. :/

but easy to do... Also use Squeeze Commander on android for control.

However, in reality, just fork out for Sonos unless you want to be providing support forever...


Squeeze Ctrl is the best controller on Android - knocks spots off all the others I've tried
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PostPosted: 17:59 - 18 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any plus side to having all the music on a server, rather than say having a dedicated ipod connected at all times?
Other than storage capacity obviously.
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PostPosted: 18:05 - 18 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you are after something low maintenance, plug and play, no phone calls from old people then I'd choose itunes and sonos.

The other suggestions in this thread work well, pretty decent etc.
But you need to think who the end user will be.
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PostPosted: 18:26 - 18 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would be nice if they could just hit play on what they want to hear, no having to turn things on etc.
If it takes more time, or is more difficult than putting a CD in a player, then they won't use it. Laughing
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PostPosted: 18:48 - 18 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ripping 600 CDs? Laughing

Apart from the obscure old people music they've got which the internet will never have heard of, downloading the albums they've got should be much quicker and easier than ripping them. Thumbs Up

I'd still be tempted to give Spotify a go to see what they make of it as it's so much simpler than a micro server for their music library
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PostPosted: 19:55 - 18 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sonos now works with Apple Music.
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PostPosted: 22:18 - 18 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 23:40 - 18 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheaper option? If they are using iTunes, why not go with Airplay stuff? Quite a bit cheaper than Sonos but still very slick and well behaved.
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PostPosted: 11:59 - 19 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers guys.

I reckon I could try and get them on board with Spotify. But my Dad (the music buff) won't be converted easily Laughing

So what I am thinking now is to use the following:

1 x Sonos Play 3 £259
2 x Sonos Play 1 £169
Sonos Connect (to attach either a CD player/turntable) £279
Spotify
(Microserver if they don't take to Spotify Rolling Eyes )

Starting to get expensive Shocked

I will keep researching alternatives though. The main selling point is the Sonos App, being able to control all of the above.
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PostPosted: 13:52 - 19 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is pricey, possibly arse twitchingly expensive.
If you can stretch your anus enough to get the Play:5, do it.

Depending on teh model of router they have, you might ba able to chuck a usb hard drive on it and use that to store & share the music.
Saves spending money on a microserver.

However, these bare bone microservers are on offer at the moment.
https://www.serversplus.com/microserver_cashback

These are the available services on sonos kit.
Spotify on Sonos requires a premium spotify account.
My missus prefers Google Music, she's been using it for years on her phone and has all her music uploaded to Google., it has the added bonus of being free Very Happy

We both have our own Google Music account, and the sonos app doesnt share the content across controller apps.

You'll see what i mean when you set everything up.

https://i.imgur.com/4Z4FIN2.png
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PostPosted: 19:50 - 19 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paris2 wrote:
Cheers guys.

I reckon I could try and get them on board with Spotify. But my Dad (the music buff) won't be converted easily Laughing

So what I am thinking now is to use the following:

1 x Sonos Play 3 £259
2 x Sonos Play 1 £169
Sonos Connect (to attach either a CD player/turntable) £279
Spotify
(Microserver if they don't take to Spotify Rolling Eyes )

Starting to get expensive Shocked

I will keep researching alternatives though. The main selling point is the Sonos App, being able to control all of the above.


Connect is really only of use if you have a reasonably up to date high end separates system you wish to retain as one of your "rooms". The Connect is capable of bit perfect digital audio from tracks encoded in lossless formats like .flac or Apple's .alac through the optical digital connection.

The Play 3 is considered by a lot of Sonos enthusiasts now to be the poor relation in the line up of speakers and to be avoided.

Play 1s sound excellent despite their diminutive size and even better when used as a stereo pair and when tuned with "Trueplay" (requires a recent Apple device).

The new Play 5 is really, really good and has line in which would help you with connecting another source.

Factor into the costs a "Boost"

Sevenoaks Sound and Vision have £20 off the Play 5 and £10 off the Play 1. There was a deal recently on Play 1 pairs.

PM me if you have any questions on Sonos and I will try to help.


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PostPosted: 19:52 - 19 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sonos is great. Wouldn't be without mine. Play 1's are ample in most rooms and you can stereo pair them
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PostPosted: 12:22 - 21 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

How wireless is wireless?
The setup I'm using is a Sony 5.1 surround sound, inherited from my audiophile father when he upgraded to one with a blu ray player, I use my Pi2 running OSMC through AirPlay. I either play stuff straight from my phone or AirPlay from my iTunes library on my PC.
The only downside is having to connect to it using a 3.5mm connector as that's all the Pi has, but I'm sure expansions are available if required.

This is just stuff that I already had laying around that I've connected up though.
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PostPosted: 13:25 - 21 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another +1 for Sonos, my dad has a pretty extensive Sonos setup and it works seamlessly and sounds pretty fantastic.
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PostPosted: 14:40 - 21 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

dydey90 wrote:
How wireless is wireless?

There is only 1 wire, and that's for power.


The thing that impressed me the most about the sonos kit is the ease of setup.

all you need is your phone/tablet with the sonos app and wifi connection details.

It creates an ad-hoc wifi network, you then choose your wifi betwork and enter the wifi password.
The app then feeds this info to the speakers, 30seconds later it's Miller time.
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PostPosted: 14:37 - 22 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

We have gone with Sonos.

Set them up a Play 1 over the weekend. Will see how much they like it and expand with a Play 5 in a few weeks.

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PostPosted: 15:18 - 22 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paris2 wrote:
We have gone with Sonos.


Is the correct answer.
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