New Job Opportunities

[owl10]

Hey BCF,

Ive got a couple of new job options which I'm mulling over, and wondering if people had any similar decisions to make, and what your take would be on a similar situation.

Background:

I'm currently in a job which, I'm lucky to say, I love - I really enjoy what i do, I'm proud of the company i work for and a massive fan of our products and generally of our industry: To the point where although my salary is for 35 hours a week, I often do double figures of hours of , unpaid (free!), overtime a week.

The money isn't bad but lower than available elsewhere (Okay, this is all relative) but Id describe myself as comfortable enough: I don't watch the pennies in too much detail but don't splurge either, live in a 1980's semi in suburbia.

Options:

Option 1) Promotion - doing a similar job in a different department, but start in 6 months. Pay rise of 10%-15%. Good opportunity to work almost anywhere in the world in future in same company

Option 2) Leave - similar job in different company, different products but similar industry. 40% increase. UK based


Both jobs are about as secure as you can get can be without working for public sector.



Option 3) Negotiate option 1 to get closer to option 2 (Maybe to 25%)

Option 4) Do nothing


What would you do / did you do??
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[RhynoCZ]

The option 2) seem to be the best way to go, because money. But, I would go for the option 3) IF I was certain I could get the option 2), just in case the option 3) did not go well.

40% is a lot no matter how much you are earning at the moment.
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[Pie-Roe]

I would emphasise how much you love the company, how much you are proud to be working for them and the future you see with them and see if they will meet you in the middle at 22-25% increase. Point out that you're happy to do any extra training as you see the time as an investment and your skills are valued well elsewhere as well.

Of course, it depends on the size of the company, how replaceable you are etc, which only you will know.
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[Duffman]

Go for job interviews, get better paid job. Enter bidding war. As long as you don't threaten your boss and act like its required to go for 40% increase just to pay your mortgage, then they will be happy to ease your pain. IF they want to keep you. Anyway i did it 3 times and got big rises each time. Just had to have an ace in my pocket and play poker face a bit!
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[DrDonnyBrago]

They'd only agree to pay you more if you leaving would screw them over. As such, management reluctantly agree to pay rise, they find a replacement willing to work for your original salary and let you go at a time that is convenient to them.

Changing employer sounds like a safer and more rewarding bet imo.

[TheArchitect]

Option 2 - then in a year or two pitch yourself back to current company. You'll be more experienced and as you already have a [good] history/ relationship with current company you'll make the ideal candidate.
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[stinkwheel]

I'd be a fan of option 3 depending on how you approach it.

Depends on your boss and how much they want to keep hold of you though.

If you think your boss is a person who would respond well to you saying "Look, I really like working here, I like the team and I like the company BUT I'm being offered £xxx to do the same job for these guys. I*'d like to keep working for you, how can we make this work?" then go for it.

If you are expendable to the company and your boss is an ego in a suit, maybe best not mention it.

Don't underestimate how much of a PITA it is for a company to replace trained, reliable staff though. We tend to lose our new staff after 12-18 months, just as they are starting to become useful and pay their way (usually for no other reason than they feel they ought to move on, often to their regret when they find their new employer is a dick). Getting to the point we're thinking about tying future new staff into a three year contract with student loan repayments as part of their package, repayable if they leave before the end of their contract period.
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[Kidjal]

Speaking as someone who worked in public sector for ten plus years, my job was never secure and I have been at risk of redundancy twice. In fact, one of the major reasons I left a job I was passionate about, was the lack of stability and security in the public sector. Total myth. Anyway...

I now work private and love my company too. My managers approach has been that if I am offered more elsewhere to let her know and discuss it openly - I am glad she has made this clear from the start, and would always be my go to option.
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[owl10]

Well, thought I'd update a bit.

Although a firm offer was made for the one with most money, a couple of terms and conditions were difficult: Namely they wanted me to hand in my notice, then they would complete a security clearance application for me, and if it failed Id have no job.

I've only a few motoring related issues in my history, but one is a driving whilst disqualified from 2003, so although I thought it would be low risk of not getting the clearance, its not a risk I wanted to take.

They wouldn't accept for me to sign a contract and complete the clearance before handing in notice, even after I offered a reduced notice period.

The communication got a bit awkward and I declined the offer, so probably a lesson for me to manage the way I communcate more clearly, as from a remuneration side they went above where I expected, so surprised a hard line was taken on T&C's - maybe they went higher than they wanted and were happy for the way out.

Anyway, my current company offered me the other role, so at least I've got a clear idea of what I'm worth 'outside' so can use that in my ongoing discussions.

As an aside, initial discussion s went through a recruitment consultant, and I think that the security issue wasn't mentioned to the new place until very late, so they may have thought I was messing them about (despite me stating it early on). So I guess the lesson, as above, is to make sure the recruiter knows right from the off any hard points, and any more flexible points.

Onwards and upwards....
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[Omega]

Sounds like a win/win situation! I wouldn't beat yourself up about the communication. The company sounds dodgy to me. I bet they would have changed the pay and/or T&Cs once they had you on the hook. Maybe that's standard practice further up the chain but at my kind of level I'd assume it was a con.

Keeping the job you love and getting paid more sounds like a huge win to me!

[Silver_Fox]

This motivates me to get looking
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[owl10]

I was only motivated when a colleague with very similar skills and experience was offered a lucrative new job: I thought why don't I have this opportunity? And the answer was I wasn't looking for it.

That was in October; from there I Simply put my CV on a few jobsites, and also had a very open discussion with my manger about my short / mid term areer goals.

An opportunity came from each.

The latter was helped as I have a very good working relationship with my immediate management, and frankly a very accommodating company, but I guess the former can be done by everyone
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