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j.silvs
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PostPosted: 19:50 - 25 Feb 2016    Post subject: Harley - Sky High APR?! Reply with quote

First off.. Hi again all, been a while.

So been in the market for a new bike and thought I would try out an Iron 883.

Went for a test ride and really liked the relaxed style. I know, I know... Gheyyyyyy

PCP deal gets calculated and bloody hell... 13% APR??

Thought this dealer was a rip off so called up a few others and none were lower than 12%.

Since when were APRs that high on a vehicle?
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PostPosted: 19:56 - 25 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

13%, and they don't even have to remove your chaps..

Personal loan?
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PostPosted: 19:57 - 25 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exactly my thoughts..

Wanted to go down the PCP route with balloon payment to hand it back. Didn't fancy going through a personal loan tbh
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PostPosted: 20:08 - 25 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pre-op or post-op?
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PostPosted: 20:11 - 25 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd be straight down the yam dealer test riding an xv950 custom thingy, and looking for the 0% sign on the shop windows too.

No hog is worth the over inflated prices they are asking, and I reckon you could spec up something like the xv950 custom accessories, a trick pipe and power commander etc, and have a faster better bike with the wrong badge!

If I ever wind up with a custom hard tail chopper, it'll have either a 4cyl or 6pot motor, no 45degree milwakee lump of pig iron in my bike.
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PostPosted: 20:14 - 25 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll sell you some PCP for less than 13% and I'm quite willing to bet that my product is of a higher quality than whatever some douche with a Harley tried to sell you. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 21:07 - 25 Feb 2016    Post subject: Re: Harley - Sky High APR?! Reply with quote

j.silvs wrote:
Iron 883... Gheyyyyyy... 13% APR... rip off...


So many very good reasons not to buy one.
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PostPosted: 21:14 - 25 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'd be straight down the yam dealer test riding an xv950 custom thingy, and looking for the 0% sign on the shop windows too.


Worked for me
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PostPosted: 21:15 - 25 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I honestly can't fathom why anyone would go for a PCP deal.

You don't own the bike and you have to pay more at the end if you actually use it.
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PostPosted: 21:21 - 25 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

There must be a demographic that PCP deals are actually good for?

That's other than the salesman who gets his commission on the finance. Wink
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PostPosted: 21:28 - 25 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Harley sportsters are quite competitively priced brand new. This is because you will spend another £1500-2k on exhausts, air filter, remap and tassles.

A lot of people buy one new and then trade it in at 1-3 years having hardly ridden it, often for a very similar model. Sounds like a waste of money, but they're probably only losing 1 or 2 grand a year. Given that these are the kind of people who are doing the same thing with fairly nice cars, the bike is a cheap toy.

This means it makes a lot of sense to buy a Harley at 1-3 years old with low mileage, full service history, and the exhausts, air filter, remap and tassles already fitted. I did, even bought it from a dealer. His price was the same as worse used examples on ebay - he'd already made his money selling two bikes and lots of accessories.

Also for anyone recommending the Yam, it isn't a Harley. Harleys are different to ride. Japanese bikes all feel about the same, Harleys are different. Probably in the same way that BMWs are different.
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PostPosted: 21:42 - 25 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kris wrote:
I honestly can't fathom why anyone would go for a PCP deal.

You don't own the bike and you have to pay more at the end if you actually use it.


if its 0% then your just paying of the vehicle in monthly installments. Its a free loan with a large payment at the end.
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PostPosted: 22:11 - 25 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

sensi5446 wrote:
if its 0% then your just paying of the vehicle in monthly installments. Its a free loan with a large payment at the end.


So nice of them to not charge extra, just like those kind folk at the Bureau de Change.
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PostPosted: 22:11 - 25 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ben90 wrote:
13%, and they don't even have to remove your chaps..

Personal loan?


This. Got me an M&S personal loan at 4.3% to buy my Scout. Why anyone would choose finance is beyond me (and choosing PCP is so far beyond me I can see it creeping up on the horizon behind me).

Actually looked at the 883 Iron but thought the tank capacity would be pretty limiting on longer rides. Turns out the Scout has exactly the same size tank. Ah well Laughing
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PostPosted: 22:22 - 25 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spamalittle wrote:
Ben90 wrote:
13%, and they don't even have to remove your chaps..

Personal loan?


This. Got me an M&S personal loan at 4.3% to buy my Scout. Why anyone would choose finance is beyond me (and choosing PCP is so far beyond me I can see it creeping up on the horizon behind me).

Actually looked at the 883 Iron but thought the tank capacity would be pretty limiting on longer rides. Turns out the Scout has exactly the same size tank. Ah well Laughing


Sorry if im missing something but what's up with PCP if its 0%, if I buy a car for 10k and pay say £104 a month for 48 months then about a 5k final payment, I only pay 10k

Is that not better then getting a personal loan at 4.3% on 10k and buying the car outright at 10k then paying back the loan?

Not only are your monthly payments less on the PCP you have the option to give the car back it things go tits up after the 4 years.
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PostPosted: 22:30 - 25 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ben90 wrote:
sensi5446 wrote:
if its 0% then your just paying of the vehicle in monthly installments. Its a free loan with a large payment at the end.


So nice of them to not charge extra, just like those kind folk at the Bureau de Change.



You pay the same cash or credit buying a new car/bike so what's your point? You are also likely to get a better discount when buying on credit then cash so a 0% deal is a free loan. I know you pay more for a new vehicle then used but if you want new get it on free credit.
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PostPosted: 22:41 - 25 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
There must be a demographic that PCP deals are actually good for?

That's other than the salesman who gets his commission on the finance. Wink


If you want a bike on finance, and often keep to a newer model, it's a good setup.

Say with the Ducati one with a Multistrada 1200S - OTR price £15,863 - monthly repayment of £175 - guaranteed future value of £7673. At the end of those three years, the bike is going to be worth much more than £7673, going by previous Multistrada values it'll probably be about £10k, meaning you can put that extra money into your next PCP. If you keep going like that, it means you're getting a brand new premium machine every three years for probably £190 a month (assuming no deposit in the ongoing PCPs). Fairly attractive prospect and saves you having to buy and sell your own machine and have the initial lump sum.

They're handy if you change bikes maybe once a year too, as you end up with the finance outstanding being the same as the bikes value and can switch whenever.
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PostPosted: 22:44 - 25 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

All well and good if you have 0% on PCP. OP's point being that he was quoted 13%.

Biggest turn off for me with PCP is having to source the lump sum at the end of your contractual period. Would likely end up with a loan to cover that anyway. That and niggling point that the bike isn't actually yours. All very well saying you can just give the bike back but this is subject to condition, exceeded mileage etc so you may still get stung with unexpected penalties. That and the whole no modifications without consent etc.

Call me precious but I like to own my bikes outright. I'll worry about my credit rating separately Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 01:59 - 26 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

How the bike feels to ride or how you feel riding the brand?

Try an xv. The 80s models make harley shit themselves, the 535 was remarkably good, although i did kill mine. I love the look of the new xv. Factory luggage is a bit hipster. Were i richer i'd seriously consider how to destroy an xv950 with metal mules or similar.
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PostPosted: 06:36 - 26 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really liked the ride tbh. I can see how with a few mods that it could be a great machine.

Tbh I was going to buy it as a toy.

I always get PCP on all my vehicles just for the sheer fact of giving it back a starting over brand new. Had some nightmares with second hand in the past.

Other motorbike manufactures out there have 0%, 4% and at the most 6%... But an APR of 13%? That's ridiculous. I don't care what brand it is
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PostPosted: 06:57 - 26 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

j.silvs wrote:
I really liked the ride tbh. I can see how with a few mods that it could be a great machine.


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Didn't you have a GSXR600 before?
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PostPosted: 07:42 - 26 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haha yep!

I have had 2 of them...

As you can see I know NOTHING about mechanics, machinery etc. I just appreciate a nice bike.

I have a very wide range of bikes I like - 899, scrambler, R nineT, Iron, RCZ, sport 1000, Augusta dragster
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PostPosted: 07:48 - 26 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Didn't you nearly buy a 899 before?
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PostPosted: 08:33 - 26 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kris wrote:
I honestly can't fathom why anyone would go for a PCP deal.

You don't own the bike and you have to pay more at the end if you actually use it.

Depends on the annual mileage. I've seen as low as 3,000 (Suzuki) and as high as 15,000 (BMW).

It's not an insane way to do it if you just want to ride new bikes and don't mind paying monthly indefinitely. Bear in mind that if you buy a new bike outright then you'll be down the lump sum up front and then "paying" much the same in depreciation on your asset anyway.


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xv950 custom thingy [...] the wrong badge

How much does a couple of Harley decal costs from eBay?
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PostPosted: 09:46 - 26 Feb 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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All well and good if you have 0% on PCP. OP's point being that he was quoted 13%.

Biggest turn off for me with PCP is having to source the lump sum at the end of your contractual period. Would likely end up with a loan to cover that anyway. That and niggling point that the bike isn't actually yours. All very well saying you can just give the bike back but this is subject to condition, exceeded mileage etc so you may still get stung with unexpected penalties. That and the whole no modifications without consent etc.

Call me precious but I like to own my bikes outright. I'll worry about my credit rating separately Thumbs Up


I've always taken the point of PCP is not to pay the final instalment, you simply trade it in and start again using the value you have accrued as the deposit on your next machine.

Don't get me wrong I'm all for owning outright and with a bike it's easier to do, but surely people on here are PCPing cars all the time, or are you all spending £30k a time to get a new motor?
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