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PostPosted: 19:28 - 03 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

The look is the least of your worries... Keep it lubed or buy a new one. You *might* be lucky by cleaning it but I wouldn't hold out much hope.
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PostPosted: 20:00 - 03 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Loads of paraffin. Use a toothbrush and a lot of rags to clean the chain.
A wire brush on the side plates.
Might take you while, but it should come up pretty good.
Use gear oil to lube or as suggested a Scottoiler.
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PostPosted: 20:15 - 03 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

The rust isnt deep its just surface rust i hope... surely rust cant eat in too much in 3 month!

i will clean it best i can this weekend as suggested, might have to invest in a small wire brush.
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PostPosted: 21:17 - 03 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paraffin and a finger nail brush works well, especially the ones with a loop on on side.
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PostPosted: 22:18 - 03 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Barnoe wrote:
The rust isnt deep its just surface rust i hope... surely rust cant eat in too much in 3 month!

i will clean it best i can this weekend as suggested, might have to invest in a small wire brush.


I can provide some insight in as much as this...
My first 3 or so years I was insanely obsessive over cleaning/lubing my bike chains, yet the past 8 or so months I've gotten extremely lazy (Cheap bike and lives outside, meh)
Nowadays I can go weeks without lubing it, it has at times developed large amounts of orange rust, not *quite* as bad as BodgyGuards Vara, but close.
It has all cleaned off with This and some GT85 every time.

For the record though it would appear to have increased it's rate of Wear/stretching, but the rivet link measures the same as it did when I fitted it.
It hasn't exploded yet and the difference between tightest and weakest spots are minimal.

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PostPosted: 11:28 - 04 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

WD40 on a oily rag and you'll probably find it'll all come off.
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PostPosted: 17:10 - 04 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just my Penny Coin Penny Coin, may well just of been lucky but.

My first chain on the ZX6R (stock chain, so already many years old) got neglected to hell by me in terms of adjustment and keeping it oiled. It regularly got rusty as you describe yours on and off for a few years, but it always came off with a brush and some cleaner. This chain did 25k miles.

The second chain I replaced it with was a more expensive one which I tried to treat a lot better by regularly cleaning it and keeping it well adjusted. Ironically I ended up damaging some of the o-rings by brushing it too firmly on at least one of the occasions I cleaned it. The chain didn't like it and was completely useless after 12k miles.

So yeah, i'm not overly concerned with a bit of rust, perfect lubrication or keeping it precisely adjusted personally - I try to keep the new one in good nick now, but I don't think its the be-all and end-all of making the chain last.

I'm now considering a scott-oiler or similar though. Probably should of got one years ago to save a lot of time, effort and money in the long run Rolling Eyes.
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PostPosted: 17:16 - 04 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it takes more than oil and a rag to get the chain free of rust I'd be looking to junk the chain & possibly sprockets.
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PostPosted: 21:34 - 04 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think a bit of surface rust is a big deal, especially this time of year. If any of the links are seized and don't loosen with a bit of oil then it's new chain time imo

Go and buy a litre of engine oil, cheap as possible. Tesco do 25p toothbrushes. Get a bucket under the centre of the chain and an old jar.

Pour some oil into the jar and dip the tooth brush in and literally scrub the chain clean clean of rust. Rotate wheel and repeat


Fwiw, I use engine oil to lube chain in warm weather. I tried wax when winter started with the same results.
Now I use rock oil chain lube which is a bit stickier than regular oil. There's a lithium based product called dp60 that is also really good and doesn't fling and prevents corrosion well enough
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PostPosted: 22:01 - 04 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rust on the outside is irrelevant, surface rust on the rollers will dissapear after a few seconds of use. If its not surface rust, you are not riding often enough. Rust in the pins wont happen, because you should be using an o/x ring chain.

I give my chain 5 or 6 squirts from oil can every morning before my 30 mile commute. A tiny bit gets on the side of tire, but its scrubbed off after the first corners. Whats the issue? The fling is good, it gets all the shit off. I cant remember when I last cleaned chain, and it doesnt need it... though rest of bike does Embarassed

Using wax/sprays will give a thick layer of sticky shit grinding paste on your chain, it wont last half as long.
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PostPosted: 10:56 - 05 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

God.i wrote:
If it's as bad as you describe I would scrap it and fit a new one before it snaps. A scottoiler is a worth while investment.


Scottoiler is the number one solution but for longterm storage one needs to use something more. Motocross chain lubes are dead sticky or chainsaw oils stick. The man at scottoiler told me that scottoiler will maintain the chain in normal use but not great for storage. He advised wiping the chain with a rag soaked in scottoil then doing the same before puting the machine into service again.
Motocross chain oil is drastic stuff to get off everything so I normally use the scottoil rag method.
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PostPosted: 11:30 - 05 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd just whack some oil on it and take it for a ride, chain always just looks like a normal unrusty chain when I get back.
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PostPosted: 16:25 - 05 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Barnoe This post is not being displayed because it has a low rating (Off Topic). Unhide this post / all posts."

I was returning to update you on my efforts with the chain today.......

Off topic? bad karma... rules is rules etc wtf!!

If i posted this in a "CB radio forum" or a "Premier League football forum" It would make sense, but chain maintenance is something all bike owners deal with.... if i dont post it in a "BIKE CHAT" forum then where do you suggest ffs

As for my chain.... i'm sorry i asked forget it!
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PostPosted: 16:42 - 05 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Barnoe wrote:
just not getting it


The Mods created "The Workshop" for a reason. (As with the Karma system)
It's no big deal 1 Person accidently posting their thread in General Bike Chat (which is for "Anything Else" - Note the word "else", as in not covered by another section)
However what we already have is a crapload of people doing it.
Before you know it General Bike Chat is full of shit, Then all other threads become irellevant, Chaos cannot reign.

The only reason anybody replied with anything helpful is a lot of people on here are actually too generous with their advice.
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PostPosted: 16:49 - 05 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Barnoe wrote:
"Barnoe This post is not being displayed because it has a low rating (Off Topic). Unhide this post / all posts."

I was returning to update you on my efforts with the chain today.......

Off topic? bad karma... rules is rules etc wtf!!

If i posted this in a "CB radio forum" or a "Premier League football forum" It would make sense, but chain maintenance is something all bike owners deal with.... if i dont post it in a "BIKE CHAT" forum then where do you suggest ffs

As for my chain.... i'm sorry i asked forget it!


Id like to know how you got on.
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PostPosted: 17:51 - 05 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Id like to think the reason anyone replies to anything on BCF, is because they are good members and decent helpful people.

In any case, with hindsight i accept that my post would have been better suited to the workshop.

however i dont think my post going in general killed anyone... so i will sleep ok tonight Wink


And thanks to these i bought for only £4.... my chain is now rust free again.
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PostPosted: 18:41 - 05 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

kramdra wrote:
Rust on the outside is irrelevant, surface rust on the rollers will dissapear after a few seconds of use. If its not surface rust, you are not riding often enough. Rust in the pins wont happen, because you should be using an o/x ring chain.

Aa long as it's easily removed rust on side plates your fine If you get deep rust in the side plates it can also mean that you may have rust eating away at the rivet & side plate hole. A side plate detaching from the chain can ruin your day in double quick time. Not seen this on a motorbike chain but have see it on go-kart chains before.
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PostPosted: 18:45 - 05 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

God.i wrote:
Commuter_Tim wrote:
The only reason anybody replied with anything helpful is a lot of people on here are actually too generous with their advice.

Or the vast majority don't give a fuck about the karma system.

Wipe your nose sonny it's brown.


I respect the Karma System for what little it is, a way for the masses to hide unbelievably shite posts, or tell someone they're being a bit of a cock with a minimal amount of effort.
(I'm referring more to you than OP here.)
Also Fish-Finger Boy, L2quote and reply to the correct part of someones post, it's confusing.


OP: I would caution against using wire brushes on anything but the side plates if you do have an X/O ring chain.
The Haynes manual warns against scrubbing for too long with regular brush for potential damage to the Rubber seals.
If you don't believe me, try jabbing one of those wire bristles into the tip of your finger, like a damn needle! Smile

To clarify though, by saying people were "too generous" I mean't exactly what you said, a lot of them are decent people.
Cool that your chain is sorted tho.
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PostPosted: 01:09 - 12 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Worst mistake I made was cleaniong a chain. It was fine until I did then didnt matter how much lube i put on it it still got rusty. Best thing to do with a chain is leave it the well alone and just smother it with lube regularly.
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PostPosted: 02:14 - 12 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ribenapigeon wrote:
Worst mistake I made was cleaniong a chain. It was fine until I did then didnt matter how much lube i put on it it still got rusty. Best thing to do with a chain is leave it the well alone and just smother it with lube regularly.


yep cleaniong them is the worst thing you can do to them.

i found giving them quick wipe with a rag and spay of chain lube once a week keeps them tip top

not while the engine is running mind Tut Tut
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PostPosted: 21:12 - 12 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ribenapigeon wrote:
Worst mistake I made was cleaniong a chain. It was fine until I did then didnt matter how much lube i put on it it still got rusty. Best thing to do with a chain is leave it the well alone and just smother it with lube regularly.


I have also found this to my cost, no problems at all until I really thoroughly cleaned mine. Now covered until I've lubed it and been out for a ride and got back. Lesson learned
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