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PostPosted: 19:29 - 04 Mar 2016    Post subject: Changes to a financed bike. Reply with quote

Hi people. I'm new to this site/forum so I apologise in advance if this question is in the wrong place or has been asked before.

The story goes.. I recently brought a Suzuki DRZ400sm through finance ( I'll allow time for the whole "puppy SM" jokes and so on Laughing it was brought as a commuter and I'm happy with it). I work in a car body shop as a panel beater and painter so obviously want to make it look different. When I read through the paperwork it stated nothing about not being able to modify it so I signed away. Since taking delivery of it I've had mixed reviews from people on changing the colour of it, it's blue and white but I want it all black (why didn't I just buy a black one you may ask, well I got a good deal on this one and with being in the trade it would cost me nothing to paint it). After the mixed reviews I emailed the finance company directly, explained I was in the motor trade and would only be using automotive 2k paint & not some cheap aerosols from the £1 shop and if this would effect/ go against the agreement and if so would I be able to buy a second set of plastics in black and keep the ones that are on the bike stored in my garage in bubble wrap... Cotton wool.. A padded cell guarded by 2 Rottweilers (Just for the record I only mentioned the bubble wrap! Haha).... Of course they said not until I make the final payment. Now I understand I have signed the agreement and I shouldn't do it as they have said no.. Blah blah blah. A bloke I work with brought a transporter van through finance and was actually asked by the company before he signed anything that he was 100% not going to make any changes what so ever to the van, he said he wouldn't... It was custom painted within a month, full camper conversion inside etc etc. They have never contacted him regarding any of it.
So I was wondering if anyone here has modified a financed bike? If I change the colour on the log book will this be flagged up on their computer. If I do it I'm going to buy the separate plastics and keep the ones on it stored away in case of any come backs. It's very unlikely I will miss any payments but I'm worried that if it comes up on their computer that I have changed the colour on the log book that they'll decide to turn up and repo it. A family member seems to think that the fact they deal with so many people that they would never know and that it's likely they won't know of any changes to the log book anyway.. But I'm not sure, I have a horrible feeling they would ? But on the other hand I don't really want to be riding around on a bike that anyone could go and buy, I want to leave my own mark on it and make it my own (even though technically it isn't until paid off).
Any views or experiences on the matter would be appreciated Very Happy
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PostPosted: 19:33 - 04 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why do you even give a shit? It's your bike, just paint it if you want and ride on. The finance company can do one, just keep your payments up and if they query it tell them to suck a fat one.
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PostPosted: 19:43 - 04 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

The repo people would be looking for a blue and white bike. Wink

"I don't really want to be riding around on a bike that anyone could go and buy"

Anyone can buy a DRZ400sm and some tins of matt black. Worry less about painting it and instead ride the thing. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 19:56 - 04 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Technically it's not my bike until every last penny is paid off it. &I know anyone can buy a DRZ and tins of Matt black (although I wouldn't be doing it with tins) but when you paint cars for a living there's a lot you can do to make it look different that the average joe couldn't. But yeah think I'll go for the 3 out of 3 saying do it, I'll get a second set of plastics and paint them then at least they can have it back to normal if they want to be complete tw@s about it.
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PostPosted: 20:04 - 04 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah don't spray the originals and a fuel tank, it'd be far cheaper to buy new aftermarket ones and spray them. Also if/when you come to sell it, it'll be worth far more standard than with some spray job that screams out accident damage.
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PostPosted: 20:16 - 04 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I bought triple on finance because easy with 0%

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PostPosted: 20:20 - 04 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paddy. wrote:
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PostPosted: 20:22 - 04 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're spot on in saying that it's not your bike until you've paid every penny - including the completion fee.

It will be in your T&C's somewhere, it won't directly say 'do not paint this bike' - but it will say it has to be maintained and kept stock (along those lines) - and if you don't then charges may be applicable if it's not maintained to a fair standard. it'll likely be around the same paragraph that says 'do not resell this bike, don't remove from the UK' etc.

it's different with other mods such as an exhaust or wheels etc. as you can change it back and no one would notice. Were it me? i'd probably just do it, or even Vinyl wrap it, that way the log book isn't affected (however i appreciate as a painter you're probably keen on doing the work yourself).
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PostPosted: 20:44 - 04 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

BravoCharlie wrote:
You're spot on in saying that it's not your bike until you've paid every penny - including the completion fee.

It will be in your T&C's somewhere, it won't directly say 'do not paint this bike' - but it will say it has to be maintained and kept stock (along those lines) - and if you don't then charges may be applicable if it's not maintained to a fair standard. it'll likely be around the same paragraph that says 'do not resell this bike, don't remove from the UK' etc.

it's different with other mods such as an exhaust or wheels etc. as you can change it back and no one would notice. Were it me? i'd probably just do it, or even Vinyl wrap it, that way the log book isn't affected (however i appreciate as a painter you're probably keen on doing the work yourself).



Yeah when you put it like that it probably is in there somewhere but they put so much small print in these papers it's like a needle in a hay stack. A friend suggested vinyl wrap but the problem there is it would cost me a lot more than a new set of panels (or paint that can be conveniently "lost" at work Wink ) I also thought about carbon dipping some panels but not sure how carbon like it would actually look. I'm going to go for the safer option and buy some new plastics to paint so then I have the originals to keep incase I do sell up like someone stated above. The only reason I asked on here is because any google search on the topic makes you out to be ruthless as hell doing it.. Always better off asking fellow bikers Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 20:57 - 04 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to read those T&C's to customers multiple times day in day out (work in a call centre for a car company) - it can get tedious!

although yeah if it's just plastics and the tank doesn't change, then i wouldn't bother with sending the logbook off!
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PostPosted: 21:26 - 04 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

BravoCharlie wrote:
I have to read those T&C's to customers multiple times day in day out (work in a call centre for a car company) - it can get tedious!

although yeah if it's just plastics and the tank doesn't change, then i wouldn't bother with sending the logbook off!


Yeah hat of to you dude I couldn't do that, especially with all the rude customers. I'd last a week max Laughing

But if I don't change the colour on the log book won't there be the possibility that the boys in blue will want to know why I'm riding a black motorcycle that is registered as blue ?
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PostPosted: 21:30 - 04 Mar 2016    Post subject: Re: Changes to a financed bike. Reply with quote

SteveWhyte32 wrote:

The story goes.. I recently brought a Suzuki DRZ400sm through finance
Any views or experiences on the matter would be appreciated Very Happy


What type of finance?

Loan through dealer (Black Horse etc)
Loan via bank etc
PCP.

Makes a lot of difference.
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PostPosted: 21:41 - 04 Mar 2016    Post subject: Re: Changes to a financed bike. Reply with quote

iooi wrote:
SteveWhyte32 wrote:

The story goes.. I recently brought a Suzuki DRZ400sm through finance
Any views or experiences on the matter would be appreciated Very Happy


What type of finance?

Loan through dealer (Black Horse etc)
Loan via bank etc
PCP.

Makes a lot of difference.



It's a HP agreement that the dealer/trader arranged with a company called Motonovo
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PostPosted: 21:48 - 04 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've owned dozens of bikes on HP, restored and modified most of them, treated them as my own, and didn't have any hassle doing so.
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PostPosted: 21:57 - 04 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

SteveWhyte32 wrote:

But if I don't change the colour on the log book won't there be the possibility that the boys in blue will want to know why I'm riding a black motorcycle that is registered as blue ?



"it's plastidip officer, it's temporary..."?
"it's a spare tank officer, the other ones being repaired"?
"the logbooks been sent to the DVLA Officer"?

if you're doing the full bike, tank included, then yeah fair enough it could be risky. if it was just the plastics, i'd be more inclined just to leave it as is.
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PostPosted: 22:38 - 04 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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But if I don't change the colour on the log book won't there be the possibility that the boys in blue will want to know why I'm riding a black motorcycle that is registered as blue ?


I had no issues riding around on a bike that was registered as being red but was actually blue / purple

The MOT tester used to pop it in the system as red (to match what had come up on his system) so that it didn't give anything away there.

Police didn't seem fussed, guess they'd only have spotted if the ANPR had flagged a reason to give me a second glance.

got round to updating the DVLA end of summer last year.
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PostPosted: 23:01 - 04 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wonko The Sane wrote:
SteveWhyte32 wrote:


But if I don't change the colour on the log book won't there be the possibility that the boys in blue will want to know why I'm riding a black motorcycle that is registered as blue ?


I had no issues riding around on a bike that was registered as being red but was actually blue / purple

The MOT tester used to pop it in the system as red (to match what had come up on his system) so that it didn't give anything away there.

Police didn't seem fussed, guess they'd only have spotted if the ANPR had flagged a reason to give me a second glance.

got round to updating the DVLA end of summer last year.



Yeah that's true. As long as I don't give them a reason to dig deeper then I should hopefully get away with it. Thanks Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 23:04 - 04 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

craigs23 wrote:
I've owned dozens of bikes on HP, restored and modified most of them, treated them as my own, and didn't have any hassle doing so.


Yeah I suppose they have to go off their list of T&Cs but are only really interested in getting their money back at the end of the day.
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PostPosted: 23:08 - 04 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

BravoCharlie wrote:
SteveWhyte32 wrote:

But if I don't change the colour on the log book won't there be the possibility that the boys in blue will want to know why I'm riding a black motorcycle that is registered as blue ?



"it's plastidip officer, it's temporary..."?
"it's a spare tank officer, the other ones being repaired"?
"the logbooks been sent to the DVLA Officer"?

if you're doing the full bike, tank included, then yeah fair enough it could be risky. if it was just the plastics, i'd be more inclined just to leave it as is.


It would be the complete fairings I'd do but as you say tell them "it's in the post" and just hope the same officer doesn't see me a month or so later Laughing . Thanks for the advice Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 08:35 - 05 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

SteveWhyte32 wrote:
But if I don't change the colour on the log book won't there be the possibility that the boys in blue will want to know why I'm riding a black motorcycle that is registered as blue ?

The boys in blue wear black.

A fair proportion of vehicles are driving around in the "wrong" colour.

Yes, you might get tugged to check you out, but being on a DRZ already makes that fairly likely, you ragamuffin.

Change of colour is a freebie on the V5C.
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PostPosted: 14:45 - 05 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

SteveWhyte32 wrote:
But if I don't change the colour on the log book won't there be the possibility that the boys in blue will want to know why I'm riding a black motorcycle that is registered as blue ?


SteveWhyte32 wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:

The boys in blue wear black.

A fair proportion of vehicles are driving around in the "wrong" colour.

Yes, you might get tugged to check you out, but being on a DRZ already makes that fairly likely, you ragamuffin.

Change of colour is a freebie on the V5C.

Sorry Gok Wan... I am aware of what colour they wear but how often do you hear the nickname boys in black.. Calm yourself, It's only a nickname.

Oh right so police don't pull over DRZ's no? Don't know where you're from but where I live they will pull you for the slightest little thing wether you're on a 50cc or a 1400cc

I'm also aware that it is free to change it on the V5C.. But if you read the comments you'll notice that it wasn't the issue in the first place.


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