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PostPosted: 22:48 - 05 Mar 2016    Post subject: Any Londoners with a tourer? Reply with quote

So am now commuting out to Maidenhead from zone 1 which is a 50 mile per day round trip. Also do occasional weekends to Switzerland and France.

Thinking of a used BMW K1300GT but the issue is owning a bike of size in London as filtering, parking etc... will now become a little more challenging. My filtering style could be described as... slow. I tend to pull over to let most people past and am usually surprised when another biker is filtering more slowly than me.

Current bike is a 249kg (when dry) Honda CB1300 so don't think I will be stepping up too much to 250kgs dry.

So all you London types riding heavy metal - what do you think? Is this an incredibly stupid idea? Do you own something similar and what is your opinion? Is this going to be ridiculously inconvenient in London to the point I should reconsider?
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PostPosted: 22:52 - 05 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Big bikes can be ridden quickly in London, you've only got to follow one of those taxi bikes to see that!

My dad rides a 1300gt daily through the centre of town, and I see lots of people on RT's too, based on that I think you'll be fine.
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PostPosted: 22:57 - 05 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

c_dug wrote:
Big bikes can be ridden quickly in London, you've only got to follow one of those taxi bikes to see that!

My dad rides a 1300gt daily through the centre of town, and I see lots of people on RT's too, based on that I think you'll be fine.


I took a taxi bike once and it was great but was unimpressed at the filtering. He was significantly slower than me which is quite difficult but at the same time, I was a 17.5 stone rugby player carrying a suitcase to the airport so he may have been a little encumbered...

But if your dad can do it and he's perfectly happy, that sounds good to me.
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PostPosted: 00:03 - 06 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to have an old-style XJ900 (i.e., non-Diversion style) that was a bit of a tank, got through traffic just fine on it, even two-up.
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PostPosted: 00:11 - 06 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, not stupid exactly. Not the best bikes in the world for London traffic but they do the job. I manage just fine on my Fazer 1000 in traffic, it kills motorways in comfort, and you can still have fun on it when the roads get more interesting. If I wanted something just for riding in heavy traffic, then I'd go for something smaller and lighter, but not absolutely necessary.
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PostPosted: 00:28 - 06 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just make sure its got a good cooling system I've been through centre of london a few times now on my old k100. The only problem I get sometimes is that it gets really hot. Also depending on luggage capabilities filtering is fun and interesting.
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PostPosted: 00:46 - 06 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

hellkat wrote:
I used to have an old-style XJ900 (i.e., non-Diversion style) that was a bit of a tank, got through traffic just fine on it, even two-up.


That's the best style of XJ900 to have; lighter, quicker and sharper handling than the 900 Divvy.

I plough mine (with Givi panniers) through rush hour taffic every day
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PostPosted: 01:22 - 06 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got a K11LT and live in London - I love it. I'm an ex courier and filter courier-style, no probs. There are some gaps I can't get through, so I have to maintain a decent average speed by ignoring all the rules of the road. Parking's not a problem because my number plate is velcro-mounted.
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PostPosted: 02:00 - 06 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

chickenstrip wrote:
No, not stupid exactly. Not the best bikes in the world for London traffic but they do the job. I manage just fine on my Fazer 1000 in traffic, it kills motorways in comfort, and you can still have fun on it when the roads get more interesting. If I wanted something just for riding in heavy traffic, then I'd go for something smaller and lighter, but not absolutely necessary.


I love the Fazer thous. However, a Fazer 1000 would be a skinny commuter option compared to the bike I have at the moment! It is 50 kgs lighter (i.e. 20% lighter than mine). What I don't like about the 2006 and beyond Fazers is just the lack of tank range.

It's one of the elements pushing me towards a bigger, heavier tourer, albeit with a much bigger range.
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PostPosted: 02:25 - 06 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Undinist wrote:
I've got a K11LT and live in London - I love it. I'm an ex courier and filter courier-style, no probs. There are some gaps I can't get through, so I have to maintain a decent average speed by ignoring all the rules of the road. Parking's not a problem because my number plate is velcro-mounted.


Courier-style filtering in London on a K11LT is serious bit of filtering. I remember back in the 90s seeing this crazy, bearded courier on some kind of pan who used to defy the laws of physics with his filtering. He was based in Aldgate, or rather, I used to see him hanging out next to the station quite a bit breathing in the fumes.

What made it a bit madder was the way he used to smoke a cigarette while riding. Roll-ups of course.

Love that you love your bike, even in London. That's what I want - to love my bike, not just like it.

And the love the velcro plate. Best thing ever. Must get one of those.
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PostPosted: 16:14 - 06 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shaft wrote:
hellkat wrote:
I used to have an old-style XJ900 (i.e., non-Diversion style) that was a bit of a tank, got through traffic just fine on it, even two-up.


That's the best style of XJ900 to have; lighter, quicker and sharper handling than the 900 Divvy.

I plough mine (with Givi panniers) through rush hour taffic every day

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The Divi 900 is a difficult bastard to handle. I also had one of those, and it was irritating. Even my bloke who has a something like a 38" inside leg reckons it was unwieldy and had a difficult centre of gravity. If I could get my hands on another non-Divvy 900, I would snap it up.
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PostPosted: 16:31 - 06 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I ride a Kawasaki 1400GTR into London for my commute, not central but zone 2 or 3. It's obviously not as nimble as a smaller bike or scooter but the preceding 30 miles of motorway are far more pleasant on the bigger bike. It's not too bad in traffic, the mirrors are surprisingly low and go under most cars.

I did look at the 1300GT when bike shopping but heard bad things about reliability.
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PostPosted: 16:32 - 06 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

gorillaonabike wrote:
serious bit of filtering


Not really, I don't go in for bike-handling drama. Just look ahead and use all the tarmac. The challenge is to be the fastest but without drawing attention to myself. Stealth biking. None of that wanky revving at drivers demanding to be seen. And I don't do any fancy feet up walking pace manoeuvres - I wish I did but the bike still has the horrible rubber-mounted floppy handlebars, which I've been too lazy to sort out. I'm sure your K13 will be loads better.
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PostPosted: 18:20 - 06 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hated having a CBF1000 for a couple of months, utterly stupid bike for London. Too big, too heavy.
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PostPosted: 19:15 - 06 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
Hated having a CBF1000 for a couple of months, utterly stupid bike for London. Too big, too heavy.


Each to their own. I love my CBF1000, mainly for the fast motorway bit, but it’s equally handy in town. It’s rare that I find anyone faster than me through the traffic.

Having said that, there are clearly better bikes than the CBF for urban filtering. Sports bikes are great in town and little monsters like the Grom look like a barrel of laughs. I’m just very used to the Biffer so I hustle it through the gaps like the seasoned commuter that I am. Smile

The other point that no one mentioned is that gorillaonabike is going to be heading in the opposite direction to all the sheep. Heading out west from the centre is going to be considerably lighter in both directions because the masses will be going the other way. When I worked in North London I found myself heading round the North Circular in the opposite direction to the heavy traffic at both ends of the day. Rather than filtering my problem was keeping my speed down.

Sure there’ll be crappy days when everything jams up, but that sounds like a blast. Ending your commute on some lovely fast A roads? Yes please.

By the way, I live near Maidenhead and commute to The City so I’ll be the one filtering on the other side of the road.
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PostPosted: 20:03 - 06 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Serendipity wrote:
It’s rare that I find anyone faster than me through the traffic.

Every 125 & scooter is in my experience quicker, and that's not just me being a pussy, when sitting in the work van in traffic they nip through gaps bigger bikes (like Fazers etc.) get stuck with.

People also ignore length that's what she said, which really has an impact when you're maneuvering through gridlock. And that massive exhaust doesn't help Laughing

The torque was nice, and it's a stable bike, although at low speeds you do really feel the 240ish KG. Also if you have to park facing the kerb it can be somewhat undignified moving off...
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PostPosted: 21:34 - 06 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Serendipity wrote:
M.C wrote:
Hated having a CBF1000 for a couple of months, utterly stupid bike for London. Too big, too heavy.


Each to their own. I love my CBF1000, mainly for the fast motorway bit, but it’s equally handy in town. It’s rare that I find anyone faster than me through the traffic.

Having said that, there are clearly better bikes than the CBF for urban filtering. Sports bikes are great in town and little monsters like the Grom look like a barrel of laughs. I’m just very used to the Biffer so I hustle it through the gaps like the seasoned commuter that I am. Smile

The other point that no one mentioned is that gorillaonabike is going to be heading in the opposite direction to all the sheep. Heading out west from the centre is going to be considerably lighter in both directions because the masses will be going the other way. When I worked in North London I found myself heading round the North Circular in the opposite direction to the heavy traffic at both ends of the day. Rather than filtering my problem was keeping my speed down.

Sure there’ll be crappy days when everything jams up, but that sounds like a blast. Ending your commute on some lovely fast A roads? Yes please.

By the way, I live near Maidenhead and commute to The City so I’ll be the one filtering on the other side of the road.


Well spotted about the reverse direction of the traffic. One of the reasons for accepting this gig (I am self-employed) is because the traffic is lighter and the bike journey will be fun. Commuting every day through fast A-roads, light(ish) London traffic and fast blasts should be great.

The CBF1000 is significantly lighter than my muscle bike. I am beginning to realise my muscle bike is effectively 'tourer' weight which didn't really occur to me.

I also want to 'love' a bike again. My bike's been good and there have been some great moments where it's put a smile on my face but I don't love it. I want that 'wow' feeling again and from your comment, U's and a couple of others, I think it's the way forward now.
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PostPosted: 10:05 - 07 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I take a Triumph explorer into London most weeks from Worcestershire. It's a big heavy bike but I can still filter it's the height of the handlebars which cause the most problem as they seem to be level with every van and 4x4. I used to take the Thruxton when I lived in London and this was a lot easier as it was lower down. Apart from the new A40 joy killers cameras it's still way faster than car.
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PostPosted: 13:28 - 07 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just put a deposit down on the Beemer. Let's see what happens.
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PostPosted: 13:39 - 07 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

gorillaonabike wrote:
Just put a deposit down on the Beemer. Let's see what happens.


Shaft drive failure, most likely Wink
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PostPosted: 13:55 - 07 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or an exploding gearbox which will pollute the entire engine with little bits of metal. (Happened to my R1150GS)
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PostPosted: 21:05 - 07 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just bought it. Once it's serviced, will pick it up and go into the sunset. Love my first ride and will probably end up somewhere stupid. Last time I bought a bike, I ended up in Cardiff. Only issue is I picked it up in London...
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PostPosted: 14:04 - 08 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Joe wrote:
gorillaonabike wrote:
Just put a deposit down on the Beemer. Let's see what happens.


Shaft drive failure, most likely Wink


Thanks, won't think about that at all on the 150 mile ride back from where I bought it...

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