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Jewlio Rides Again LLB
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PostPosted: 23:07 - 10 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Is this going to be a completely anti-EU thread, or will you be posting pro-EU stuff too?
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PostPosted: 08:45 - 11 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Pro in campaigners have found 100 "scientists" who think the EU is awesome, including Stephen Hawkin(g).

[bullsh1t mode off] are there not 100 plus scientists who want out then? Do they not get a voice on the impartial
BBC?


In response to this, there is a group of my peers who are Scientists for EU and then another Scientists for Britain.

To paraphrase the great Richard P. Feynman, "don't ask what others think you should think, make up your own damned mind".
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PostPosted: 10:25 - 11 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
DrSnoosnoo wrote:
To paraphrase the great Richard P. Feynman, "don't ask what others think you should think, make up your own damned mind".

As the great philosopher-poet Alanis of Ottowa said, I see what you did there.
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PostPosted: 12:30 - 11 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Rogerborg wrote:
As the great philosopher-poet Alanis of Ottowa said, I see what you did there.


Don't ya think?!
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PostPosted: 13:57 - 11 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Jewlio Rides Again wrote:
Is this going to be a completely anti-EU thread, or

will you be posting pro-EU stuff too?


There is much less scaremongering from the pro-Brexit side as they don't have to resort to fear, they can just use factual debate to win the argument. If the in campaign used facts they would mostly just help the out campaign. Here's a fact for staying in as an example:

"Being in the EU helps large corporations by creating regulatory barriers which they can bear, but which small competitors cannot, thereby keeping small and medium size enterprises out of the market"

It's a fact. It's a benefit of being in the EU. But all it will do is cheese people off and make them vote Brexit. The In side did actually try with a similar fact about how poor people would earn more outside the EU, but then said it's "not necessarily a good thing" Laughing

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PostPosted: 14:06 - 11 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Likelihood of entire thread being pro exit 99.99%

Likelihood of entire thread 'cutting through the bull' 0.01%

90% of those active on BCF appear to be pro-exit because Muslims, foreign types, job stealers and rapists.


This thread will be exactly like all the others on the same subject.
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PostPosted: 14:15 - 11 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
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90% of those active on BCF appear to be pro-exit because Muslims, foreign types, job stealers and rapists

Truth to tell, I'm pro-exit because of the unaccountable and anti-democratic legislative process, but that's Sleeping

It's far more Dance! to be Mad over caliphatists raping our jobs.
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PostPosted: 15:00 - 11 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Likelihood of entire thread being pro exit 99.99%

Likelihood of entire thread 'cutting through the bull' 0.01%

90% of those active on BCF appear to be pro-exit because Muslims, foreign types, job stealers and rapists.


This thread will be exactly like all the others on the same subject.


So the Greens, Labour, TUSC, Scottish Nazi Party etc must be anti-Brexit because they are pro-Muslims, pro-foreign types, anti-British people, pro-job stealers and pro-rapists Wink
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PostPosted: 15:12 - 11 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Im-a-Ridah wrote:
Jewlio Rides Again wrote:
Is this going to be a completely anti-EU thread, or

will you be posting pro-EU stuff too?


There is much less scaremongering from the pro-Brexit side as they don't have to resort to fear, they can just use factual debate to win the argument. If the in campaign used facts they would mostly just help the out campaign. Here's a fact for staying in as an example:

"Being in the EU helps large corporations by creating regulatory barriers which they can bear, but which small competitors cannot, thereby keeping small and medium size enterprises out of the market"

It's a fact. It's a benefit of being in the EU. But all it will do is cheese people off and make them vote Brexit. The In side did actually try with a similar fact about how poor people would earn more outside the EU, but then said it's "not necessarily a good thing" Laughing


Piffle.

I work for a small/medium business. We do very well out of the EU, given the majority of our business consists of EU imported goods. We manage just fine dealing with those in the 'EU'. When we deal with non-EU members, the paperwork inflates tenfold.

The uncertainty around the In/Out affects the exchange rate. When BoJo signalled he was for the 'Out' campaign, we took a kicking on the exchange rate. If we pull out, it's Ok saying that 'we'll be OK, eventually'. That uncertainty and the effect it has on the exchange market would certainly affect our businesses ability to trade.

The same will go for many other businesses, not just ours.
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PostPosted: 15:42 - 11 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Exporters will be loving it though.

I'm a bit fuzzy, so can you remind me, which type of business creates British jobs and brings money into the UK economy? Importers or exporters?
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PostPosted: 17:41 - 11 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote
Jewlio Rides Again wrote:
When we deal with non-EU members, the paperwork inflates tenfold.


Have you taken the time to consider why this might be the case?
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stinkwheel wrote:
Jewlio Rides Again wrote:
When we deal with non-EU members, the paperwork inflates tenfold.


Have you taken the time to consider why this might be the case?


Cos we are in the EU?
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Exporters will be loving it though.

I'm a bit fuzzy, so can you remind me, which type of business creates British jobs and brings money into the UK economy? Importers or exporters?


We import and directly supply to UK industry, or whatever is left of it. If I tell you our European import maintains quite a bit of our industry and defence, what do you think a raise in prices of those will do?
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Jewlio Rides Again wrote:
If I tell you our European import maintains quite a bit of our industry and defence, what do you think a raise in prices of those will do?

Cause insourcing to British suppliers?

What a nightmare dystopia that would be, if 70 million people had to do business with each other.
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Rogerborg wrote:
Jewlio Rides Again wrote:
If I tell you our European import maintains quite a bit of our industry and defence, what do you think a raise in prices of those will do?

Cause insourcing to British suppliers?

What a nightmare dystopia that would be, if 70 million people had to do business with each other.


At higher costs and lower quality, if they even still exist? Oh noes, that government spending!

Dutch/German/Swedish etc. manufacturers, they can manufacture the product within days, and have it to us within the week. British company we use, 34 weeks.

How can you compete with such incompetence?
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What a nightmare dystopia that would be, if 70 million people had to do business with each other.

That would indeed be a dystopia, as mercantilism has historically been (how's your British wine treating you?) I'll take Ricardo's comparitive advantage any day of the week.

(Funnily enough, what you advocate is much more along the lines of a Continental economic philosophy than a British one.)
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barrkel wrote:
how's your British wine treating you?

Pretty nice, you should try it. Baywood, 8%, can be had in Lidl for £2.50 a bottle. Far more palatable and actually enjoyable to drink than the increasingly harsh 12, 13, or 14% Saffer-Latin-Antipodean gutrot alternatives, but of course, everybody buys those.

Sure, they taste foul and you've got that issue with your vision coming and going, but look at ze efficiency.
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mpd72 wrote:
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If I tell you our European import maintains quite a bit of our industry and defence, what do you think a raise in prices of those will.....


If British manufacturing suddenly became competitive again, who knows? We might even become a shade of what we were before we joined the German European Market?

Unions turned the top quality manufacturer in the world into sh1t. The EEC showed how much better the Germans were, once imports were competitive in price.


Competitive in what way?

As I've just said, the main British manufacturer we use has a lead time of over half a year to manufacture SPARES kits for their own products. And then, expensive as well due to labour costs.

Pray tell, how do you propose we get round this? The endless budget blowing exercises of the MOD in refitting our defences, so we can all wring hands about how much of our taxes goes? Even the Spanish have better manufacturing timescales for Christ sake.

Or we could always nationalise industry... Wink
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Jewlio Rides Again wrote:
the main British manufacturer we use

Main, or only?

What if there were enough demand to create competition?
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We only use two. They both make from the same materials, but are different lines of the same item.

As a line on it, the 'main' one has had to recall their stock from us, because they haven't enough at their own place to fulfill their requirements. This is the manufacturer.
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mpd72 wrote:
Jewlio Rides Again wrote:
Is this going to be a completely anti-EU thread, or will you be posting pro-EU stuff too?


I'll post what I hear which is obvious bull. The out campaign is using lies mistruths and scare tactics to win. I haven't seen the same from the in campaign yet.

Maybe you could add some?


OK, here are a few:

1. All British people will be deported from Spain and France when we leave the EU.
2. Britain won't be able to bring back criminals from Spain if we leave the EU. Presumably the Spanish will be deporting all Brits, except those wanted for serious crimes?
3. All citizens from the EU in Britain will be deported. Presumably this will include Nigel Farage's wife, which probably won't please him very much.
4. The EU will impose trade barriers on it's most important trade partner, Britain. Britain has a trade deficit with the EU so any tariffs would work to our advantage, not theirs which makes the scare story even less realistic.
5. Jewlio rides again: Things will magically cost more and be lower quality.
6. It's only possible to have workers rights if they are dictated to us by an unelected technocracy.
7. Britain will longer be in the continent of Europe.
8. Britain will have less influence in the world. This really depends what you think "influence" actually is. Typically they are referring to overpaid diplomats having fancy dinners in other countries whilst poking their nose in other people's business.

Feel free to continue the list Smile
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