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PostPosted: 13:40 - 11 Mar 2016    Post subject: Stand alone fitness tracker/wearable GPS? *SOLVED* Reply with quote

Mrs stinkwheel is training for an Iron Man and would like a fitness tracker of some sort.

So one that maps and times her route and perhaps also monitors heart rate.

Here's the tricky bit (see who actually reads the post instead of diving in with "My appletastic dersirathingy is the best applethingy evar"). Neither of us has a smartphone. We do not own any form of tablet PC. We do not own any PCs runing apple or windows.

I'm not buying a smartphone just to do this. I hate smartphones and Mrs stinkwheel would have one broken within days and a permanantly flat battery.

I MIGHT get a basic android tablet to run it with if that was the only way to do it but I'd rather not if I can avoid it. I'm definately not buying a new PC just to do this.

The ideal would be a stand alone, waearable GPSdatalogging device which can upload data via bluetooth or USB to a browser configurator or by dumping a data file on a flash card.

So looking for a wearable GPS which is either standalone (preferred) or can be paired with a cheap tablet. There may be no such thing?

*UPDATE* A Garmin fenix 3 can be used with linux by synching it using wifi. (needs setting up on a windows/mac/android device as a one-off). 20h battery in full GPS mode.
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PostPosted: 13:46 - 11 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://www.endomondo.com/

I've used this in the past.

It's good, but obviously needs a device.
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PostPosted: 14:06 - 11 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Failing that (but you should bite the device bullet) anything by Fitbit, they are pretty much the best overall.

They all come alive with external software though, so you may as well just get a cheap ass android device and use that with Endomondo.
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PostPosted: 14:46 - 11 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wearables are basically smartphone accessories. The arguments you make against smartphones like breaking easily or having a short battery life apply even more so to wearables. Android phone + decent case + runkeeper or similar is my recommendation. It also makes calls, goes on the internet, plays music, takes photos and videos etc. Failing that, get a pedometer or use one built into an ipod.
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PostPosted: 14:59 - 11 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Reddit suggests using Galileo and a fitbit - see the last post: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/1ztubj/linux_compatible_fitness_bandtrinket/
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PostPosted: 15:27 - 11 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's get this straight.

I'm NOT buying a smartphone just to do fitness tracking so please stop suggesting things that require a smartphone. Among other considerations, between the two of us, we use less than a fivers worth of calls and texts on PAYG mobile phones in a month.

I have no use for the other functions.

Also please remember this is for ironman training not a park run. So the first thing you do is a 4km open water swim. Smartphone goes where?

My research suggests that some of the Garmin watches are compatible with multiple platforms and can upload their log files. Anyone have experience with them?
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PostPosted: 15:32 - 11 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:

Also please remember this is for ironman training not a park run. So the first thing you do is a 4km open water swim. Smartphone goes where?


I know this question was rhetorical, but that answer is here.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B001G5A4JA?keywords=aquapac&qid=1457710271&ref_=sr_1_3&sr=8-3

I used them all the time when kayaking. Also useful for your car key, which will probably not be waterproof for a 4km swim
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PostPosted: 15:48 - 11 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Northern Monkey wrote:

I used them all the time when kayaking. Also useful for your car key, which will probably not be waterproof for a 4km swim


So. Aquapack goes where?
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PostPosted: 15:48 - 11 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you don't have any smartphones or computers running windows, you're going to have a hard time, especially if you want something that can track any kind of detailed telemetry.

Personally, I like the Polar M400, but as with most of these things, it requires either a smartphone or a PC to upload the recorded data to the web service.

Older Garmin devices might do what you're after - I don't know if the watches could directly export .gpx data or not, but that's the sort of functionality you'd be after. Personally, I'd say avoid anything that has integrated HRM sensors - go for a chest strap. The results are generally more reliable. Optical HRM sensors are good for general trends, but have a habit of going a bit wide of the mark under actual physical exertion.

Tl;dr, sports watches are generally designed for people that use mainstream OSes. There are a variety of highly kludgy-looking attempts at linux support, but it's a lot of money to gamble on a principle-based prohibition.
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PostPosted: 15:54 - 11 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Garmin eTrex

It's more potato than it is apple.

Feature include the ability to connect it to your computer by serial cable.

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PostPosted: 16:11 - 11 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste. Not the stupidest idea. At least it would still be useful after she's got bored logging her training. She's always been more of the James Hunt than the Niki Lauda.

I'm wondering if a straight GPS tracker is going to be the thing for her.

She harps on about heart rate but I bet she wont use it. She really just wants to show her mates how far she ran/swam/cycled.

Still a bit of an issue about how you go swimming with one.
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PostPosted: 18:17 - 11 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Samsung S7 is IP68. Stuff it down the back of her swimming cossie, it'll be fine.

You mention YOU'RE NOT BUYING A SMARTPHONE JUST TO TRACK TRAINING.

Not you doing the fucking training, is it?

Does your missus want to buy one?

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PostPosted: 19:34 - 11 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

J4mes wrote:
Samsung S7 is IP68. Stuff it down the back of her swimming cossie, it'll be fine.

You mention YOU'RE NOT BUYING A SMARTPHONE JUST TO TRACK TRAINING.

Not you doing the fucking training, is it?

Does your missus want to buy one?

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She might, but it'll be me setting the frigging thing up and me that's going to be on the receiving end of the stress and hassle when it breaks or she doesn't know how to use it or it's done something odd or she's on call and the battery is flat and the rabbit's eaten the charging lead.

I don't know what it costs a month to run a smartphone but I bet it's more than a fiver? And if you want to stop paying for it, the several hundred pounds of fitness monitor is just a tasteless bracelet.

So nope. I'd rather measure it out on a map and write it down for her.
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PostPosted: 19:57 - 11 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

My Lumia 640 does endomondo perfectly well, will sync with a bluetooth HR strap, and cost ~120 outright. Since it's a Nokia-built phone, it's also largely indestructible. Not sure about waterproofing though - that said, most HR straps aren't all that good underwater either.

:edit: Alternately, if she can forego the HR functionality, the Garmin ForeRunner 10 does all the GPS stuff, and can be synced with a linux computer. Also costs less than £80.
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PostPosted: 20:12 - 11 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use a mix of stuff.
Ultra runner rather than triathlon, similar looniness but cheaper Very Happy

Garmin watches like my 620 will do wireless uploaded with no computer or tablet involved once set up. There are several triathlon based models that will do this. Check out DC Rainmaker for reviews https://www.dcrainmaker.com/blog

Battery life might be an issue, so check it will last. My watch will do shorter events, but for stuff that will take me over 12 hours will see me switching to an Etrex.
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PostPosted: 20:26 - 11 Mar 2016    Post subject: Re: Stand alone fitness tracker/wearable GPS? Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:

So looking for a wearable GPS which is either standalone (preferred) or can be paired with a cheap tablet. There may be no such thing?


Well having had a few FitBits & now a garmin.

Do not get a FitBit charge or Charge HR. They fall to bits (went through 3 in 4 months) & not water proof, no gps.
Fitbit surge is a big beast, and can cause a rash on the wrist is you are not careful & is only just water resistant. It does have built in GPS tracking but will only last about 10 hours if GPS is used.

Personally I have fallen out with FitBit as they fail to take notice that their devices fall to bits with even mild use (I only walk)
Up side is their APP is really good.

Current one is a Garmin VioSmart HR. (no GPS though) Quality is much better, but app is not as good.
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PostPosted: 20:55 - 11 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Should say I also have a Garmin Vivosmart HR.
These type of trackers are not really very good fit training with.
The accuracy of distance etc is not there.

As a semi smart watch it's OK, and it gives me the ability to quickly check my heart rate on the kind of big event where I am not wearing a gps watch and heat rate strap.

If this is an actual Iron Man, we are talking a good amount of training for each element. The right kit can help with this.
I joke all the time about a marathon being check point one, but sandwiching that between two other activities is non trivial Very Happy

Now after several years of training and big events, I could train and complete with nothing more than a cheap watch. But, that is off a big base.

If this is the first time, effective training will mean a much more enjoyable and successful event Very Happy
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PostPosted: 23:02 - 11 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fenix 3

But Google DCrainmaker best review website of GPS devices in the internet.
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PostPosted: 00:42 - 12 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Ste. Not the stupidest idea. At least it would still be useful after she's got bored logging her training. She's always been more of the James Hunt than the Niki Lauda.

I'm wondering if a straight GPS tracker is going to be the thing for her.

She harps on about heart rate but I bet she wont use it. She really just wants to show her mates how far she ran/swam/cycled.

Still a bit of an issue about how you go swimming with one.

I've had one since 2005 and haven't broken it. Mr. Green
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PostPosted: 01:34 - 12 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm amazed that someone who takes bodies apart and puts them back together has such a problem with pressing a few buttons on a phone, TBH.
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PostPosted: 01:52 - 12 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:


She might, but it'll be me setting the frigging thing up and me that's going to be on the receiving end of the stress and hassle when it breaks or she doesn't know how to use it or it's done something odd or she's on call and the battery is flat and the rabbit's eaten the charging lead.

I don't know what it costs a month to run a smartphone but I bet it's more than a fiver? And if you want to stop paying for it, the several hundred pounds of fitness monitor is just a tasteless bracelet.

So nope. I'd rather measure it out on a map and write it down for her.


It costs nothing to run a smartphone. It has a sim card slot, but you don't actually have to use the sim card slot. You can just use it as a small tablet. You also don't need the latest smartphone to do what you want. Anything in the last couple years will get the job done. Maps can be internal to the phone. You can either use a waterproof smartphone or just stick it in a waterproof case.
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PostPosted: 02:07 - 12 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:

I don't know what it costs a month to run a smartphone but I bet it's more than a fiver?


you can buy a bog basic android phone out right and put your PAYG sim in it. use it wifi instead of the data and you wont spend any more a month they your doing now.

car phone warehouse has them from about £70, you could probably get an s3 or s4 from ebay for less. they have removable batteries so if needs be you can swap them out, they most android kit uses micro usb for charging/pc connectivity so finding a replacement should your wererabbit destroy it, should be easy enough.
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PostPosted: 02:58 - 12 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

He does have a point about battery life and handsets being fragile.

I like GPS's which run on AA batteries.

It's the only being waterproof in up to 1 meter for up to 30 minutes that is going to be the problem.

An Aquapack doesn't sounds seem a very practical solution.
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PostPosted: 08:32 - 12 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Garmine hand helds/bicycle use
... whats the detail like if you use it for walkin /findin your way round a city center..

any recomended online sellers ?
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PostPosted: 08:55 - 12 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:

Also please remember this is for ironman training not a park run. So the first thing you do is a 4km open water swim. Smartphone goes where?

Around an arm with a strap? On a waist strap?

Lots of smartphones are waterproof these days and you can probably get one that is and does Ant+ for less than the cost of a decent sports-tracker that does what you want.

Note that HRMs are questionable when swimming last I checked.

I like the Motorola Active, which was an android watch before smart watches were popular - it's a full featured android install, no sim. (Someone was even playing Mario Kart on it when rooted with an emulator!)

However, it's been discontinued and I don't know if the portal is still running.
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