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PostPosted: 14:54 - 15 Mar 2016    Post subject: Sat nav wisdom needed please Reply with quote

I have been looking at specific routes on my maps for a few trips I hope to do this summer.
Yes I can take a map-book with me and stop to check that I am where I am supposed to be.
However I would prefer to keep moving, rather than keep stopping to read maps.

So what I would like to know from the mighty BCF is, can you programme a sat-nav or can you buy programmable sat-navs?
What make and models should I be looking at?

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PostPosted: 15:03 - 15 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Most sat navs will let to set waypoints.

IIRC the Garmin ones allow you to plot the route you want to take on your pc then download it to the device once you're happy.


Video of how to do it for garmin using Tyre https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g-nZe_Zoco - can also be used with tomtom
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PostPosted: 15:05 - 15 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you mean a route with way points? If so yes to both Garmin and TomTom bike satnavs. I presume it's the same with car ones and shall check wifies tonight when she gets home.

There are a lot of 3rd party products out there that can seamlessly integrate with the satnavs. I'm pretty sure you can actually plan it on google maps and transfer it across. That TYRE programme certainly worked with the TomTom rider.
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PostPosted: 16:22 - 15 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

even my Garmin GPS watch lets you upload routes, I'm sure their satnavs will be much fancier
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PostPosted: 16:36 - 15 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

plan your route here and down load it to your satnav.
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PostPosted: 17:17 - 15 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I use the car sat-nav on the bike, it's a Garmin Nuvi 57.

You can use Garmin Basecamp on the PC to plan routes and tours, although personally I think it's hard work and time consuming using it. Alternatively you can use the built in app on the sat-nav and plan it using waypoints or selecting places using the map and zoom/pan. Really quite easy once you get the hang of it.
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PostPosted: 18:43 - 15 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

i have a garmine Zumo 550 .. i plot plan routes on a pc then transfer them to the unit... this method gives much control and options ..i`ve tried doin this on the hoof and its a pita, do-able but mistakes are easy to make..... so so much so i bought a laptop to take with me on the bike.....

PS.. i never leave with out a paper map.. except if i`m only goin local...

so usefull for through route planning and gettin a perspective of the area.
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PostPosted: 19:30 - 15 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do it like we did in the old days and plan your route before you leave.

I spent 20 odd years driving (1989 to 2011) without SatNav and I'm sure there are many others on here who can add another 20+ years on top of that. Studied map and knew the route before setting off. Then in 2011 I caved because I thought it would be a fun toy to have. Now I've become too reliant on it so I refuse to get one that I can use on a bike. Surely even moreso you need to keep eyes on the road. If you get lost then your smart phone should have GPS

Anyway....that's just me. I dunno what models are good as I wouldn't buy one. I guess I'm being no help at all......
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PostPosted: 20:11 - 15 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

and bring back push rod brakes ...
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PostPosted: 23:31 - 15 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: 02:18 - 16 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

For years i have been with the planning routes beforehand and an index card with the turnings written out stuffed in my napoleon pocket or atop my tankbag. Once i have written a route i usually remember it.

Such planning in advance selects for not the most engaging, nor the quickest route but the easiest to memorise. It's very hard to accurately plot a route with many interesting minor roads as signposts and road numbers/names become a rarity.

Having a smartphone and google/copilot has enabled me to take off im the general direction of a destination, explore new roads either becasue it seemed like a good idea or the satnav said so, and arrive at my destination without spending forever circling about in the last mile becasue of unfamiliar housing estates.

Have a satnav. Ignore it as much as you can.
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PostPosted: 10:21 - 16 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bigvern72 wrote:
Do it like we did in the old days and plan your route before you leave.


Very old skool, but not always the best option.

New roads, bypasses, diversions, running out of fuel and need to find a service station - all these can be dealt with easily whilst still on the move using a sat-nav. There is also the issue with touring multiple countries in Europe for example, that maps are often not detailed enough and you would end up carrying a massive stack or a huge book around. For those of us that travel light on a sportsbike it's not viable.

I can't think of one good reason not to have a sat-nav.
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PostPosted: 11:14 - 16 Mar 2016    Post subject: I finally caved in Reply with quote

I used to be a courier in the good old days of maps and I've never had any satnav until about three months ago when I finally caved in and bought my first smartphone (£38 China jobbie) and downloaded half a dozen free satnav aps to try out. There are pros and cons.

The good thing is some of them are totally free and use constantly updated maps like Open Street Maps which you won't get as much with a normal satnav where you're tied to whatever maps they provide, sometimes at a cost.

The cons are that many of the free satnav apps I've tried are just rubbish but there's currently about three I know of that seem to function very well and I'm still testing them.

I almost bought a cheap satnav until I saw that I could get a cheap smartphone for the same price that should do fine as a satnav and also make phone calls and go on the internet if needed. To me that works out a better deal as you can do an internet search for a place or name that you don't have the actual postcode to and then satnav it from there. Very useful.

There's literally hundreds of satnav apps out there that will run fine on a cheap Chinese smartphone and there's bound to be one to your liking.
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PostPosted: 12:57 - 16 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

mauzo wrote:
https://www.bikechatforums.com/files/satnav.jpeg


Been there done that many times Thumbs Up

Sometimes you just want to keep on going rather than stop to read your instructions.
I always found doing that distracting
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PostPosted: 13:01 - 16 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt B wrote:
I can't think of one good reason not to have a sat-nav.

lorry-stuck-under-a-bridge.jpg
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PostPosted: 18:12 - 16 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Matt B wrote:
I can't think of one good reason not to have a sat-nav.

lorry-stuck-under-a-bridge.jpg
car-stuck-in-a-ford.jpg

etc etc

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and like that never happened b4 sat-nav ...
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PostPosted: 18:17 - 16 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd be willing to bet that such things happened less frequently when drivers didn't have a sat nav directing them down some totally unsuitable road.
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PostPosted: 18:30 - 16 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

i`ve worked with HGV & PSV drivers who couldn`t read their own name never mind a sat nav or map ... incompetence has no limiting factors..
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PostPosted: 01:23 - 17 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

pepperami wrote:
Sometimes you just want to keep on going rather than stop to read your instructions.
I always found doing that distracting.


Who said stop? Tank bag with a clear bit on the top, largish writing, off you go. I also find that going carefully over the route with the map before I leave means I mostly remember everything anyway, the written instructions are just-in-case.
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PostPosted: 01:34 - 17 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt B wrote:
I can't think of one good reason not to have a sat-nav.


Because they're hateful irritating things? I've used one in a car once or twice, and while they're certainly sometimes useful for finding your way around a city you don't know, I find driving to a satnav an extremely unpleasant experience. The whole time, you're basically completely lost, entirely at the mercy of sometimes-incompetent and frequently-incomprehensible directions spat out by some machine apparently trying to imitate a driving examiner.

And then there are the horrifying conversations with people who use them all the time, and apparently never have any idea where they are, what road they're on, where it goes, or anything. 'Which way would you go to Minehead?' 'Dunno, I just follow the satnav.' Evil or Very Mad Might as well just have a driverless car and avoid the human-error accidents.
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PostPosted: 08:39 - 17 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

"The whole time, you're basically completely lost"

Speak for yourself!

Google Maps navigation is great. It's very straight forward to use and doesn't give you sometimes-incompetent and frequently-incomprehensible directions spat out by some machine apparently trying to imitate a driving examiner.
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PostPosted: 12:40 - 17 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've been using a Garmin Zumo 660 since 2012. I only ever use it when I'm going abroad which is not often enough and I'm not particularly geeky which translates to me being not the most competent Sat Nav user. Given that, I find it a brilliant tool, if I take the time to plan a route with way points it means I waste no time fumbling for maps or looking at my tank bag when I should be looking at the road. Foreign cities used to be a complete no go area but now I can confidently find my way to the busiest city centre. Since I stopped using paper maps I've ridden on some incredible roads that I wouldn't have known existed otherwise. If I've no preference how I get to my destination I just bang in the end point and let the voice in my helmet guide me.

All that said, I have had a few moments where I've felt like jumping up on down on it but to be honest that's more down to my lack of ability as an operator rather than any great failings of the unit. I wouldn't go abroad without one.
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PostPosted: 13:08 - 17 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

mauzo wrote:
I've used one in a car once or twice


So not really enough experience to form a rounded opinion?

mauzo wrote:
at the mercy of sometimes-incompetent and frequently-incomprehensible directions


You have obviously been using (once or twice) some really poor sat-navs then. Refer to my first comment.
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PostPosted: 21:07 - 17 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
"The whole time, you're basically completely lost"

Speak for yourself!

I was.
Ste wrote:
Google Maps navigation is great. It's very straight forward to use and doesn't give you sometimes-incompetent and frequently-incomprehensible directions spat out by some machine apparently trying to imitate a driving examiner.

Matt B wrote:
mauzo wrote:
I've used one in a car once or twice

So not really enough experience to form a rounded opinion?
mauzo wrote:
at the mercy of sometimes-incompetent and frequently-incomprehensible directions

You have obviously been using (once or twice) some really poor sat-navs then. Refer to my first comment.

Fair points all. (The satnav in question was a TomTom, I think.) I was responding to 'I can't think of one good reason not to have a sat-nav'.
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