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PostPosted: 17:38 - 15 Mar 2016    Post subject: Every school in England to become an academy! Oh dear Reply with quote

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2016/mar/15/every-english-school-to-become-an-academy-ministers-to-announce


No national curriculum!

So things like the Islamic school that taught the girls if they ever refused sex with their husbands they'd go to hell?! Is now A-OK!

No need for teachers to have any sort of qualifications! Worked so well in China in the private sector!

No power for teaching staff in terms of pay.

Zero accountability.


What could go wrong!



Shocked

This is nothing more than the wholesale corporatism of the school system. I have to wonder when 2020 rolls round will there actually be anything left in the UK? Or will the government have sold all our assets and services to contractors to satisfy their insane ideological bent and corruption?


I really don't get it how come you're not rioting in the streets over these things? Don't any of you feel terrified for the future of the UK? I've got an established escape route and I feel outraged...
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PostPosted: 19:20 - 15 Mar 2016    Post subject: Re: Every school in England to become an academy! Oh dear Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:


This is nothing more than the wholesale corporatism of the school system


Saw the thread title and headline and this is exactly what I thought too.

It's the Guardian, so they tend to publish 'OMG the Britain PLC stories', but it's still pretty scary to see anything of the sort being mentioned.


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I really don't get it how come you're not rioting in the streets over these things? Don't any of you feel terrified for the future of the UK? I've got an established escape route and I feel outraged...


Well most people, including the majority on this forum, if I'm honest, have been led to believe that anger towards the government, especially as any form of on-street protest, is for lefty student jobless yoghurt weavers... The right wing arm of the media has done its job well...
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PostPosted: 08:11 - 16 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

While I'm usually all about hands-off government, now is not the time to be trusting schools to produce a generation who will read more than one book in their lives[*].

OFSTED will have to be beefed up to deal with snackbar. Looks more like centralising power than devolving it to me.

[*] Harry Potter, obvs.
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PostPosted: 09:46 - 16 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

To be honest I think a lot of people still take what the government say at face value and actually trust it is in the best interests of the country...
No one at work here has even thought to question whether this is a bad idea or not Neutral

I swear half the population is just sleep walking this country into oblivion whilst successive governments sell of every asset this country has ever owned.

Its a bit disturbing the way the likes of Brown could just waltz in, off load half our gold stocks when prices were at near record lows, advised under no circumstances should he do this and he just went ahead and did so. Cameron selling off Royal Mail... Hmmm, who could value the company? Low ball price? Am sure its legit...

They could do practicality anything and nothing would happen really. We're to civilized to call it out...
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PostPosted: 17:21 - 16 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, another Itchy bitching about our green and pleasant land thread, how refreshing...
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PostPosted: 17:45 - 16 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Matt B wrote:
Oh, another Itchy bitching about our green and pleasant land thread, how refreshing...



Oh look an everything is FINE everywhere else on the planet is awful!

We're British! We're number #1 at everything. So shut your mouth.


It's rather strange that it takes an outsider to actually notice these things...
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PostPosted: 17:50 - 16 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
While I'm usually all about hands-off government.



TBH I think the end goal has been achieved. The fact that the end goal does not align with what goals ought to be is the problem. The goal being the end game of socialism, which is absolute total and complete dependence upon the state.

Why do well in school? The state will provide for me! They'll give me everything and anything I want so why should I better myself?

Compare to Asia where children try and sneak into schools they're not enrolled in. So they can better themselves in the hope of learning stuff. An education can mean the difference between living a decent life or working in some drudgery job. But hey! Since the government equalises us all and subsides those who don't do well

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PostPosted: 19:08 - 16 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
Rogerborg wrote:
While I'm usually all about hands-off government.



TBH I think the end goal has been achieved. The fact that the end goal does not align with what goals ought to be is the problem. The goal being the end game of socialism, which is absolute total and complete dependence upon the state.

Why do well in school? The state will provide for me! They'll give me everything and anything I want so why should I better myself?

Compare to Asia where children try and sneak into schools they're not enrolled in. So they can better themselves in the hope of learning stuff. An education can mean the difference between living a decent life or working in some drudgery job. But hey! Since the government equalises us all and subsides those who don't do well

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The poor attitude to education in Britain more down to the cult of inverted snobbery that grew in the 60`s. Being cleva wuz fer the posh uns innit. This was subtly encouraged by the right wing establishment through the tabloid press and popular entertainment media. Education has always been about social climbing in the UK so the establishment got spooked post war when oiks started going to University.
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PostPosted: 21:35 - 16 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm coming at the academy question from the other direction.

State schools have been in a race to the bottom for a long time. No grammar schools, that's elitist. Don't separate the classes out based on ability, that isn't fair on the dribblers. Everyone must do well on the standardised tests, why bother teaching anything else.

Meanwhile fee-paying schools have ignored all of that nonsense and provided a far better education, largely from the 1930s model.

So if the academies model allows a madrassah to become a recognised school, I don't care. My kids won't be going there, and if the madrassah provides an awful education, my kids will have a head start on them. If it provides a bit variety in the local schools, even better.

When you say no need for teachers to have any qualifications, I presume you mean teaching qualifications. Not a big issue for me. From memory at school we had an economics teacher whose qualification was 20 years working for an oil company, he knew his stuff. A design teacher whose qualification was being a designer, and a few that had spent years in academia but never taken any kind of course in teaching teenagers.
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PostPosted: 22:19 - 16 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robby wrote:
if the madrassah provides an awful education, my kids will have a head start on them.

The problem isn't the lack of an academic education, it's what they're being taught instead.
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PostPosted: 23:19 - 16 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

skatefreak wrote:
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Its a bit disturbing the way the likes of Brown could just waltz in, off load half our gold stocks when prices were at near record lows, advised under no circumstances should he do this and he just went ahead and did so....


Go and research why he did it, and then come back and apologise. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 04:16 - 17 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
This is nothing more than the wholesale corporatism of the school system. I have to wonder when 2020 rolls around, will there actually be anything left in the UK? Or will the government have sold all of our assets and services to contractors to satisfy its insane ideological bent and corruption?


I really don't get it. How come you're not rioting in the streets over these things? Don't any of you feel terrified for the future of
this land of such dear souls? This dear dear land,
dear for her reputation through the world,
is now leased out -- I die pronouncing it --
like to a tenement or pelting farm.
England, bound in with the triumphant sea,
whose rocky shore beats back the envious siege
of wat'ry Neptune, is now bound in with shame,
with inky blots and rotten parchment bonds.
That England that was wont to conquer others
hath made a shameful conquest of itself.


Ah, yes, but…Isn't it, eh?


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PostPosted: 08:02 - 17 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jewlio Rides Again wrote:
skatefreak wrote:
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Its a bit disturbing the way the likes of Brown could just waltz in, off load half our gold stocks when prices were at near record lows, advised under no circumstances should he do this and he just went ahead and did so....

Go and research why he did it, and then come back and apologise. Thumbs Up

Huh, that is interesting. Bail out the banks by deliberately wrecking the gold market. I was wondering how even the Gorgon could have been idiotic enough to keep announcing sell offs.

Good job the banks jolly well learned their lesson about the grave consequences of imprudency, eh?
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