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stirlinggaz
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PostPosted: 18:15 - 14 Mar 2016    Post subject: changing forks advice Reply with quote

hi all,
I fancy a wee challenge.
what pitfalls are there in changing forks/front ends from completely different bikes?
heres what I would like to do : nsr 125 has cheap, spindly rwu forks.
the cagiva mito has far better quality usd's.
i have both front ends off the bikes (im doing head bearings on honda anyway) & when i compare them, the stems are pretty much same length & diameter. (although the cagiva has a different thread arrangement)
would it simply be a case of getting the stems pressed out & swapping them over?
I realise I would have to look at the brake caliper & disc but I cant see anything too difficult, or am I missing something?
even the steering geometry would be relatively unchanged afaics.
anyone care to advise?
please avoid the usual "dont do it cos its not worth the hassle" as I think anyone who has ever ridden both bikes will testify the mito handles much better than the nsr & I think the forks fitted to the mito have a lot to do with this.

cheers,
GAZ
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PostPosted: 21:26 - 14 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Steering stem might press out of one and in to the other, or with minimal machining. Be easiest to use the Mito front wheel, brakes, etc. Although you would need to check the speedo drive is right. Possible issue with lock stops, but should be easy enough to sort out. Also a possible issue with the thicker USD forks catching on the fairing bracket.

All the best

Katy
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stirlinggaz
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PostPosted: 00:22 - 15 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi,
thanks for the replies.
iirc the mito stock tyre size is 110/70 at the front, with 150/60 at the back.
the nsr uses 100/80 front & 130/70 at rear, though it's quite common to fit a slightly "wider" tyre at the back.
so there's a wee bit difference in tyre size....but would it make that much difference to the bikes handling?
as for the forks, the nsr uses showa rwu's which are just about adequate, if fitted with new springs & heavier oil but there's no getting away from the fact they are a budget item compared to the marzocchi usd's fitted to the mito, which imo, are much better quality forks.
there's certainly a huge difference in diameter of the legs Smile
I hadnt thought about the lock stops...& not really bothered about the speedo tbh.

I agree, it would be easier to use the mito front wheel as well but it wouldnt look right as the nsr has 5 spokes whereas the mito uses 3 spokes Sad

the brake disc on the mito is huge compared to the nsr's & the mito uses a decent brembo caliper compared to the crap grimeca fitted to the nsr.

if I could fit the brembo stuff to the nsr front wheel, it would be a massive improvement imo.

hmmm.. seems theres a fair bit more to think about than just getting the stems pressed in/out...& now im wondering if the mito swingarm would fit as well Smile
I have a swingarm c/w rear shock sitting doing nothing...I could then use both wheels/tyres from the mito.
I reckon, if I could pull this off, it would make the nsr a "better" bike.
the Honda has good electrics, a reliable engine which doesnt need rebuilding as often as the mito, which handles better, has better brakes but has crap electrics & doesnt look as nice as the nsr foxeye (im talking about the mk2 mito, not the mini ducati mito evo)

opinions?

cheers,
GAZ
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Kickstart
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PostPosted: 22:51 - 15 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

stirlinggaz wrote:

I agree, it would be easier to use the mito front wheel as well but it wouldnt look right as the nsr has 5 spokes whereas the mito uses 3 spokes Sad


Depends which model of Mito Wink

All the best

Katy
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PostPosted: 19:49 - 16 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kickstart wrote:
stirlinggaz wrote:

I agree, it would be easier to use the mito front wheel as well but it wouldnt look right as the nsr has 5 spokes whereas the mito uses 3 spokes Sad


Depends which model of Mito Wink

All the best

Katy

hi,
yes, I know later models of mito have a different spoke pattern.
but it's a mk2 mito i have, so its either try & mount the mitos brake disc etc onto the 5 spoke honda wheel or buy another wheel, off a later version of mito, which kinda defeats the purpose, as I want to use parts I already have, which are sitting doing nothing (unless I use BOTH mito wheels but tbh, the honda 5 spokes are just prettier Smile )

I have 90% of a mk2 mito (which I have been saying for years I will restore) & 100% of a honda nsr 125.

I also have a few mito spares including a swingarm c/w shock, meaning i dont have to try & remove the mito's swingarm pivot bolt, which is notoriously difficult to do on the older mitos.

I have done a bit of googling & not came across any front end transplants, though theres a few guys that have fitted different rear subframes (off a cbr600 iirc) to make it look a bit more "modern" but thats not my intention.

I'd like to make the nsr more of the bike it "should have been" ie a reliable 2t sports bike/race replica, whereas in standard form, its more of a 125 sports commuter.

anyway, I will have a closer look at what mito parts I can fit onto the nsr, this w/end.
the quick look I had yesterday suggests that the mito swingarm would fit onto the nsr without too much modification as both shocks are mounted in same way, are similar lengths etc but the front ends my 1st priority atm.

& im still thinking the forks can be fitted "simply" by getting the stems pressed out & swapped over. (I will need to find somewhere with a press who can do this job cheap)

I will start a proper thread if this project actually happens Smile (if anyones interested)

cheers,
GAZ
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