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PostPosted: 19:27 - 16 Mar 2016    Post subject: Living with a sportbike!? Overkill for commuting? Reply with quote

Hello!

Got a quick question for those who can help out. I have a Ducati Monster 821 that I love, yet I always wanted to have a sportbike, but was too wimpy to buy one until now.

The thing is... I ride mostly in the city. I use the bike to commute, lane split, etc. I do ride in highways, but it's like 20% of the time, maximum. For this the Monster is perfect and I have zero complains and I don't really need a sportbike. But, I would like to Twisted Evil

Is it too stupid to have a sportbike for this kind of use? I don't have enough garage space to put an extra bike, so if I do get a sportbike I need to get rid of the Monster.

Of course that with a sportbike trackdays will be a must, yet I'm just afraid it will be overkill to day-to-day use, even though I don't want a liter bike.

I just have three potential bikes under my eyes and in specific order of preference they are:

- Ducati 959 Panigale
- MV Agusta F3 675
- Triumph Daytona



Other important notes: I'm 1.91 meters high and weight around 95 Kg. Strangely enough I don't look like a bear on a bicycle on my Monster.

Any feedback!? Thank you!
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PostPosted: 20:10 - 16 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

No it is not stupid.

The sharp brakes and turn on a dime ability are useful to avoid SMIDSY incidents.

It will however cost you more money in the medium to long term.

As sports bikes have shorter service intervals, use more expensive tyres (BT45s on my NTV were around 100 for both while a CBR600 tyre is £100 each).

It will have worse MPG, old NTV did 60, CBR does 35.

In addition to this sporty suspension means you feel each and every pot hole and crack in the road. I rode over apocalyptic roads in Russia on my XT and only felt the really big holes. CBR I feel everything...

Sports bikes are also IL4 which means they're wider than big singles and twins which depending on how you filter can affect your transit times.

The slow nature of city riding means weight will be on your wrists compared to more upright tube bar bikes like CBFs and trailie bikes. As sportier bikes have clip ons where the weight lifts off your wrists only at speed.

Luggage for a sporty bike is also harder to find compared to tourers, offroad and commuter bikes.
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PostPosted: 20:22 - 16 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^ what he said.

I switch between the twin and 4 cylinder i have and the only downside to the 4 is that some gaps are small enough for me to have to think twice... and the fuel consumption.

overall it normally choose the sportier one Laughing Laughing
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PostPosted: 20:39 - 16 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have commuted on my gixer. Every day I pass someone else on a gixer, another one on a blade, someone else on a Kwak something or other.....

Why do you think it is overkill? There are drawbacks to it as Itchy has already pointed out but as long as the bike is comfortable for you to ride then there shouldn't be too much of an issue at all.
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PostPosted: 20:41 - 16 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mmmmm, I'm seriously considering a Monster as my next bike.
And I rarely leave town Cool

I'd go with the Ducati, but only cos I like the noise (does the Panigale have that sexy rattle?)
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PostPosted: 20:45 - 16 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

IL4 bikes and commuting?

How many cylinders do a Ducati 959 Panigale, a MV Agusta F3 675 and a Triumph Daytona have? (each, not in total Razz)
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PostPosted: 21:13 - 16 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

2 drawbacks if I used the MV for commuting.

Sportsbikes aren't very good on fuel and most have crap turning circles.
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PostPosted: 22:09 - 16 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know it's not an out and out sports bike but I use a ZZR600 for commuting

mix of motorway (slow, boring filtering / sitting in roadworks) victorian terraced streets and normal roads

I have to be picky with my route or my tyres square off quickly and it's usually at temperature for the fan to come on and give off a fair bit of heat in summer if I can't keep moving

Other than that, it's fine.
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PostPosted: 22:28 - 16 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I think so.

If you carry a rucksack to work (as I do) then having a more upright bike is much easier. Easier to see whats going on around you, much more relaxed in various conditions and a lot easier for me to wiggle a bike side to side to get through gaps at slow/walking speed (this may be due to me being a short arse as well!).

I ride an Aprilia Falco which is a sporty-ish riding position. I'd much rather be on a Monster/Tuono for my commute.

In the real world youre speed is dictated by you/your environment not your bike anyway. So any extra sports bike performance is a false economy in most situations.

Having said that. MV! Very Happy
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PostPosted: 23:34 - 16 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy is wrong.


Cbr600 is perfect for commuting. 40-80 miles a day for me. Twisties or motorway.


At 70k miles, not needed anything but tires and oil since 50k. Last weekend tbe forks got a clean and last jan 2015 so did the brakes.
Width is no issue for filtering. 120/180 tires are the most common and by far the cheapest of all proper tires.
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PostPosted: 00:49 - 17 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

kramdra wrote:
Itchy is wrong.


Cbr600 is perfect for commuting. 40-80 miles a day for me. Twisties or motorway.


At 70k miles, not needed anything but tires and oil since 50k. Last weekend tbe forks got a clean and last jan 2015 so did the brakes.
Width is no issue for filtering. 120/180 tires are the most common and by far the cheapest of all proper tires.


They are on about for filtering and for traffic? Have you tried any other bikes?
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PostPosted: 01:12 - 17 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Finternet wrote:
They are on about for filtering and for traffic? Have you tried any other bikes?


I think sports bikes are the best bikes for filtering.

The widest part of my bike is the mirrors and they only have to avoid car mirrors. They go below lorry and van mirrors.

I never have to worry about handle bars. Mirrors are wider.

I used an NC750X for a month last year and for a "commuter" bike, it was SHIT SHIT SHIT for commuting. The bars were at a height that meant they were the same as car mirrors and van mirrors. The bars were wide which meant gaps I would normally breeze through were impassable.

I've never understood why people say wide bars and a high stance are good for "manoeuvrability" when you can't manoeuvre at all because you're fucking stuck.

My CBR does ~50mpg, runs smoothly even if I filled the engine with sand and it also out runs a good chunk of the traffic on the road.

I can play with the compression and rebound to soften up the whole operation and because it's the CBR "F" it's not as aggressively stanced so my wrists never ache at all.

I have a Givi back box and a tank bag. I can get throw over panniers so luggage is never an issue.

So really it depends what sports bike you buy. As I'm sure if you go high-end super sports, then sure; it wont be so great for daily commuting. But it will be much more fun!
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PostPosted: 07:31 - 17 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm getting older these days and would personally prefer something a little more upright for commuting through London, irrespective of wider bars and a little less weather protection.

How about a bit of the best of both worlds? MT07, Street Triple or the like?
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PostPosted: 09:09 - 17 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I commute on my exup 50 miles daily.

In other news, my elbows and back permanantly hurt and my hair is getting greyer.
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PostPosted: 09:52 - 17 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Itchy wrote:
STUFF

I agree. Everyone should ride a push bike - with electric if needed.

After that - your choices seem decent enough. Race twins are often lumpy low down.
The 675 isn't too bad (Haven't ridden the other triple), but 600 class sports bikes (generally 4 cylinders) can also be a bit lumpy at the very lowest speeds (not nearly as bad as the twins).

On that basis, I found a GSXR1000 K6 (newest I could afford at the time) perfect for commuting. It was narrow, loads of smooth low down pull and top speed in first gear was about 4mph off top speed in top gear of my KTM690. (On the clocks in each case, but the 690 ones were more accurate.)
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PostPosted: 09:58 - 17 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

G wrote:
Itchy wrote:
STUFF

I agree. Everyone should ride a push bike - with electric if needed.




All I said was there are trade offs.

TBH last time I commuted into Manchester on motorbike traffic was so heavy I was being paced by a bloke in the cycle lane.
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PostPosted: 10:56 - 17 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another thing is ergonomics, some race style bikes can be comfortable when moving but when coming to a stop at lights or in start stop traffic can give rise to wrist ache/pain due to changing position to support your self.

You need to find a bike which fits you well and also gives you adequate comfort in city driving. My RC390 is great when you are riding and not stopping but on my Manchester commute it can get a pain if you are in seriously bad traffic you can't filter past for more than an hour.
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PostPosted: 10:58 - 17 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

CBR 600 F3 here.
Commuted for a few years.
Perfect.
Cheap as chips,
50MPG, enough grunt to leave everything at the lights comfortably and have many times folded the mirrors in for extra man points getting through traffic/small gaps.

Cost peanuts to buy and will run forever with a little TLC...

Cheap enough to not worry about damaging it so is faarrr more fun to ride Very Happy
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PostPosted: 11:43 - 17 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I commuted on a CBR600, then a Fireblade, then a ZX10R, the an R1 for a combined total of about 15 years and 175,000ish miles. That was from my early 20's to mid 30's. Loved it.

Would I do it now? Not a chance in hell.
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PostPosted: 16:35 - 17 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Touring bike every time.

Great wind protection
Arm chair seat
Up right riding position
Torquey engine
Good headlight
Good carrying capacity
More than enough ooomph
Good road presence

I've commuted on

Honda Cb500
Triumph Speed four
Suzuki Sv 650
Gilera SC 125
Triumph Trophy 1200

Would take the trophy every single time without thought.
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PostPosted: 16:45 - 17 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Aspire2 wrote:
Touring bike every time.


unless the commute involves a fair bit of filtering ?

luggage is great for the beer run but not for squeezing past busses
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PostPosted: 19:14 - 17 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello! Thank you all for the replies. Let me put these in topics to help out a bit:

- my concern is about ergonomics (my wrists and back!?) and the bike engine. A sportbike is for fast speeds, and my average speed in town is around 50-60 Km/h. Highway speeds I usually go over 140 Km/h, but with a naked I get spanked by the wind full-time. Won't I screw up the engine if the revs are too low!? Also, regarding full consumption will I suffer too much!?

- is a sportbike a good option for lane splitting? I’m doing it all the time and I’m afraid it won’t turn as good as a naked bike, but I’ve never riden a sportbike before. That’s the reason of my concerns.

- my choices are probably just the Ducati 959 and the F3 675. The Daytona is a perfect bike spec-wise, yet it lacks the looks. At least in my point of view. Since I'm a bit shallow I think I will go - again - the italian route. Considering these two options, what would be the "best choice"?

- regarding these two bikes, which one do you think will get a better value in the future for resale? I see MV Agustas F4 all the time dirt-cheap - and not so cheap - but they are everywhere. Never seen a used F3 though…

- I won’t need any kind of luggage. Even though I use the bike to commute, if I need to carry stuff around I just use the car. I look at the bike as a commuter, ok, but mainly as a fun thing that will make my life less boring. Hence the sportbike Wink

- my previous bikes were a Triumph Street Triple and a Moto Guzzi V7. The Triumph was wicked and the Guzzi a motorcycle with an engine. This Monster 821 is simply outstanding, but sometimes it lacks on the engine. At least for small races from traffic light to traffic light against sportbikes Sad

- Touring bikes are nice. I really dig the Ducati Multistrada, yet they start at 17.300 euros up to 24.000 euros. A bit too much for a bike that I do not adore, even though it would be the best choice for my size. Regarding the Ducati 959 Panigale it goes to 16.100 euros and the MV Agusta F3 675 is 13.450 euros.



So essentially:

Why I want the sportbike:

- looks / coolness
- wind protection
- speed
- trackdays would be a possibility at last



What concerns me:

- riding position (back and wrists pain?)
- handling in slower speeds / lane splitting
- fuel consumption
- too much HP?


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PostPosted: 19:17 - 17 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

modular wrote:

- looks / coolness



This is the only relevant attribute you should be thinking about.
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PostPosted: 20:02 - 17 Mar 2016    Post subject: Re: Living with a sportbike!? Overkill for commuting? Reply with quote

Your current bike should be fine for a trackday.

Buying a shiny new bike and worrying about mpg seems silly.
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