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rubyhorse2
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PostPosted: 08:04 - 31 Mar 2016    Post subject: load on battery - accessories Reply with quote

how much load can i wire in to the battery?

i currently have my optimate lead permanently wired in.

Planning to wire my satnav and also an autocom system

Now, i presume they dont drain power when not connected, so i guess it would be ok.

what about load on the battery when all in use (obviously not the optimate)?

just wanting some advise and confirmation before i do anything silly.

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PostPosted: 08:14 - 31 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Step away from the motorcycle. Shocked


The load carrying capability depends on the gauge (thickness/diameter) of the wire/cable. More precisely, the cross sectional area of the metal part of the conductor.

Lay-person: If you have a lot of 'power' volts, amps, ohms, watts & etc horsing through a wire then it creates electrical friction. This will slow down the power and also more importantly create heat.
Too much heat can melt the plastic insulation.
If the metal conductor touches to ground then it will blow protection or turn bike into fireball.

Find out how many amps the devices draw and add it together to get total load.
Then look on the Internet for the thickness of cable.

Do you want me to google that for you? Very Happy

Satnav Phone etc draw milliamps so a normal wire will do (Ball park without googling 1-1.5mm)

And ADVICE

Or ADVISE

Google that too. Razz
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PostPosted: 08:45 - 31 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

The other part of the answer - the combined load of your satnav and autocom will likely be less than 5W once running; almost every normal bike wouldn't even blink at that additional load which is equivalent to a tail light.

You should consider running them through a relay to ensure they are only powered up when the bike is running, otherwise there will be a constant small current draw. Not enough to cause an issue if you ride regularly, but still best practice to avoid it - especially if the bike spends weeks not being ridden.
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PostPosted: 09:12 - 31 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Third issue is (tediously) what bike? How new a bike?

If it's fairly new, there is a possability it's canbus controlled wiring which would mean you need to be a tad more circumspect than normal about how and where you wire accessories in or it can start having a tantrum.

This, apparently, is progress.
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PostPosted: 09:26 - 31 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

If canbus, just make sure that you use a relay and wire it in beyond where the canbus magic happens. For example, I spliced into my headlamp wire just as it goes into the bulb socket. The headlamp comes on when the engine is running, which is when I want the power, and the draw from the relay is insignificant compared to the expected variability in draw from nominally "55W" bulbs, so the canbus doesn't spazz out.

Here, I'll shill for you:

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=2444272
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PostPosted: 10:48 - 31 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for the input.

more info for you..

KTM Superduke R 2008
Buying a Zumo 340LM with cables as supplied
Got an autocom active rider

all the cables are included so i was literally just going to wire it all up.

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PostPosted: 11:16 - 31 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd spring a few £££ for a relay. Something like this, then replace the 30A fuse with a 5A which is still good for 60W.
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PostPosted: 13:25 - 31 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers roger, sorry total numbnuts at this kind of thing, where would i fit the relay?
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PostPosted: 15:00 - 31 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
The load carrying capability depends on the gauge (thickness/diameter) of the wire/cable. More precisely, the cross sectional area of the metal part of the conductor.

Lay-person: If you have a lot of 'power' volts, amps, ohms, watts & etc horsing through a wire then it creates electrical friction. This will slow down the power and also more importantly create heat.
Too much heat can melt the plastic insulation.
If the metal conductor touches to ground then it will blow protection or turn bike into fireball.


But if said person is wiring directly to the battery, thickness of existing wires is of no concern, and if a satnav and autocom system draw enough power to melt whatever cable you're using you've got issues.

Of more concern is ensuring to use a relay to make sure power is only available whilst the bike is powered on, and that the bike has enough excess charging capacity to not be running at a constant loss until a slow frustrating death.

rubyhorse2 wrote:
Cheers roger, sorry total numbnuts at this kind of thing, where would i fit the relay?


There are plenty of guides online. Essentially you wire the relay into the battery and give it a switched live. A switched live is a wire that only has power whilst the bike is turned on (such as the tail light). The relay then gives out a positive feed that will only be powered on when the switched live is powered on.
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PostPosted: 16:22 - 31 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

J.M. wrote:
MCN wrote:
The load carrying capability depends on the gauge (thickness/diameter) of the wire/cable. More precisely, the cross sectional area of the metal part of the conductor.

Lay-person: If you have a lot of 'power' volts, amps, ohms, watts & etc horsing through a wire then it creates electrical friction. This will slow down the power and also more importantly create heat.
Too much heat can melt the plastic insulation.
If the metal conductor touches to ground then it will blow protection or turn bike into fireball.


But if said person is wiring directly to the battery, thickness of existing wires is of no concern, and if a satnav and autocom system draw enough power to melt whatever cable you're using you've got issues.

Of more concern is ensuring to use a relay to make sure power is only available whilst the bike is powered on, and that the bike has enough excess charging capacity to not be running at a constant loss until a slow frustrating death.

rubyhorse2 wrote:
Cheers roger, sorry total numbnuts at this kind of thing, where would i fit the relay?


There are plenty of guides online. Essentially you wire the relay into the battery and give it a switched live. A switched live is a wire that only has power whilst the bike is turned on (such as the tail light). The relay then gives out a positive feed that will only be powered on when the switched live is powered on.


RTFP read the fucking post.

"turn bike into fireball" i.e. Unprotected electrics Duuuuhhhh.....

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PostPosted: 16:37 - 31 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

rubyhorse2 wrote:
where would i fit the relay?

See stinkwheel's gold rated thread:

https://www.bikechatforums.com/viewtopic.php?p=2444272

It seems like a bit of faff compared to just wiring it straight into the electrics but it could save you a whole lot of hassle later.
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