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PostPosted: 12:41 - 31 Mar 2016    Post subject: 2 Stroke 8000RPM Redline Reply with quote

Was reading up on the RXS 100 redline, apparently it's supposed to be 9500RPM, but mine has always been 8000RPM. Any ideas what could be causing this? I don't get it because it can still do 65MPH on the flat which is pretty standard for an RXS 100. If it revved faster would it go faster? Seems unlikely to me.

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PostPosted: 13:08 - 31 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe the tacho just doesn't read that high? If the bike reaches its top speed then I don't see any reason to worry.
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PostPosted: 13:42 - 31 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can you feel the rev-limiter? If so, the gauge is not accurate, which is pretty common. I bet the revs are limited by the amount of mixture that can possibly get through, so the crank shaft just won't accelerate any further.

More revs = faster? Well, yes and no. If you already do 65mph (flat out), then I'd doubt the engine has got the power to push the bike any faster.

Oddly enough, if you can't rev it to the top at the top gear, shorter final drive gear ratio would increase your top speed as well as the acceleration. I've noticed this with the CB-1 I had, with 44 teeth rear sprocket, it could do 125mph at the 6th gear, with the standard 40 teeth sprocket it did only about 115 mph, as the engine had no more power to spin the rear wheel at such speed. Well, the mpg dramatically improved, so I was alright with lower top speed.

TL; DR = you could try shorter final drive gear ratio.
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PostPosted: 16:39 - 31 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like it's restricted still.
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PostPosted: 16:43 - 31 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

ragamuffin wrote:
Sounds like it's restricted still.


Do you know that the RXS100 was restricted from the factory? I didn't think any of the 100's were?
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PostPosted: 16:51 - 31 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

RXS100 weren't restricted, mine would do an indicated 70 at the 9k redline in top gear, it also felt like it would pull further but I was worried about blowing it up. Laughing



Can you hit the redline in lower gears?
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PostPosted: 16:51 - 31 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

ragamuffin wrote:
The variator is factory restricted apparantly.


It doesn't have a variator, you are talking rubbish.
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PostPosted: 16:52 - 31 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Variator? What motorcycle are we talking about? Thinking
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PostPosted: 16:53 - 31 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I actually google rsx100cc..v wrong bike? My bad .
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PostPosted: 16:55 - 31 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

ragamuffin wrote:
I actually google rsx100cc..v wrong bike? My bad .


OP can google, don't give advice when you don't know what you are talking about. You can cost people time and money if they believe your ramblings are coming from a place of experience.
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PostPosted: 17:04 - 31 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

ragamuffin wrote:
I actually google rsx100cc..v wrong bike? My bad .


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PostPosted: 17:42 - 31 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

ragamuffin wrote:
I actually google rsx100cc..v wrong bike? My bad .


Your bad indeed. Do you know how much of a C*nt you look by giving advice on a bike that you've not even seen? I suggest you stop now or you'll end up being karma banned.
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PostPosted: 17:46 - 31 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try oiling your tacho cable. Laughing

If the tacho is anything like as accurate as the speedo, you don't really know what rev speed your engine is doing anyway. Just a rough ballpark figure.

Taking it all the way to the redline probably isn't giving you the best power anyway. Look at any power curve chart, there will be a signigficant drop in power just below the redline which is where you should change gear.

Or are you expecting it to go all the way up to the redline in top gear? Because it wont. They tend to be geared for the highest gear where they will just about but not quite rev out when they are in top. Therefore making the most of available power.

You'll generally find if you gear it down, it'll redline in top but at the cost of top speed.
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PostPosted: 17:48 - 31 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

If it wont fully rev to it`s max, is it timed right? does it need a de-coke? is the carb set up right?
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PostPosted: 18:11 - 31 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

Do you mean the red line mark on the rev counter, or something you feel in the power delivery? Not clear from your description.

If the red line mark, then possible your bike is an import and has a lower red line. Sometimes a lower red line made it easier to get through various homologation tests.

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PostPosted: 18:47 - 31 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Broken rev counter? Or just a knackered cable maybe? I've heard of issues with counters just stopping at a certain rpm, with no relation to what the engine is doing.

If the tach and cable are good, then do you mean the engine just stutters at 8k and stops pulling? It might be a case that your motor and or exhaust needs decarbonising, as they do every 6-10k or so?
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PostPosted: 18:48 - 31 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

ragamuffin wrote:
Sounds like it's restricted still.


Please, go and off yourself.
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PostPosted: 01:15 - 01 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good point from Kickstart. Where is the physical red line drawn on your rev counter? At 8000 or 9500 rpm?

What ever it is, 65 mph seems a quite reasonable speed for a 100cc 2 stroke single bike.
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PostPosted: 10:44 - 01 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

pepperami wrote:
If it wont fully rev to it`s max, is it timed right? does it need a de-coke? is the carb set up right?


It's CDI not points, de coked(ish) and I don't know about the carb, I've not touched it really. Also I don't think it's an import. It was registered in 1989 in the town I currently live in 1 mile away from my house, which is pretty cool.

Went on the dual carriage way yesterday and took it up to 73mph, and it actually hit 9000RPM so what rhynoCZ said is right. I guess I've been too scared to look at the tachometer every time I do 70. That was full throttle, though she didn't seem to protest much.

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PostPosted: 11:08 - 01 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

gerg wrote:
Went on the dual carriage way yesterday and took it up to 73mph, and it actually hit 9000RPM so what rhynoCZ said is right. I guess I've been too scared to look at the tachometer every time I do 70. That was full throttle, though she didn't seem to protest much.


70mph is pretty good for an RXS100 I think! Maybe it's been tuned by *gasp* someone who actually knows what they are doing? More likely the speedo overreads a bit though Wink .
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PostPosted: 11:13 - 01 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
gerg wrote:
Went on the dual carriage way yesterday and took it up to 73mph, and it actually hit 9000RPM so what rhynoCZ said is right. I guess I've been too scared to look at the tachometer every time I do 70. That was full throttle, though she didn't seem to protest much.


70mph is pretty good for an RXS100 I think! Maybe it's been tuned by *gasp* someone who actually knows what they are doing? More likely the speedo overreads a bit though Wink .


You mean people old enough to know about 80's 2 strokes are still alive?! Surprised Wink

If my speedo was wrong that would be depressing...
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PostPosted: 11:24 - 01 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Or it could be that it's a slightly cool, dull day with high air density and humidity.

That can be good for 5-10mph on a stroker.
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PostPosted: 11:44 - 01 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

MarJay wrote:
gerg wrote:
Went on the dual carriage way yesterday and took it up to 73mph, and it actually hit 9000RPM so what rhynoCZ said is right. I guess I've been too scared to look at the tachometer every time I do 70. That was full throttle, though she didn't seem to protest much.


70mph is pretty good for an RXS100 I think! Maybe it's been tuned by *gasp* someone who actually knows what they are doing? More likely the speedo overreads a bit though Wink .


It's pretty standard TBH, my RXS was nothing special just in good nick it would do 70 with me on it Laughing

And yes it did look ridiculous on it Laughing

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