Grow some balls.

[Old Git Racing]

I was working in Port Talbot for 8 days a couple of weeks ago. What a nice place with nice people, bit like a lot of Yorkshire industrial towns, see what you get. Even watched Wales V England in the 6 Nations with good humour. The town and about 15k people are reliant on the steelworks there. More importantly the skills there will never be replaced if its lost. This mealy mouthed government and the EU would rather court China than protect its own. I dare say we won't stop the inevitable but when are the people of Britain going to grow some balls and draw a line?
Get out of the EU, set our own tariffs on imports and take control again. This is but one example. Do it, June 23rd vote out! Draw a line!

OGR.
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[andym]

Isn't it this (and previous) governments that's been selling everything off for years anyway?

[Omega]

The guys aren't making a profit. They can have all the skills and goodwill in the world but that doesn't make it a good business. Why should we save them when we could be putting money into businesses that actually make money? Trying to hold on to the past won't help anything.

Agree with leaving the EU though just because they've gone well beyond being a group of friendly nations and become a dictatorship IMO.

[Old Git Racing]

It doesn't make a profit because china dumps state subsidised steel on the european market at artificially low prices. In the USA the have a %200+ tariff on it so China doesn't dump it there. EU rules prevent state subsidy and also decide on tariffs.
Losing the skills will be a real problem in the future. It's already a problem in some trades including mine.
The Co Op bank lost £600,000,000 last year, funny how we can support an obviously not fit for purpose bunch of incompetent losers like the banks but let an important manufacturing industry disappear again.
They can turn it into a theme park where future generations can take their kids to see what used to happen in this country, that is if they can afford it on minimum wage zero hour contracts. Then on Monday they can go back to work at the shopping centre or Mcdonalds.

OGR
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[Rob Fzs]

Osborne is trying to appease the chinese for more trade, but like they have done with other industries, they'll just get up to speed with what they've took and shut you out and then out do you in your own backyard.
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I don't think and EU government can't assist a failing Steelworks financially, even if they wanted to (although Cameron doesn't seem to even want to).

I'd rather see a high tarrif put on Chinese state sponsored steel even if it meant the cost of steel in the UK rise, pushing consumer goods up with it.

Chinese cheap steel benefits Germany, France, Italy and all the other major EU car production countries far more than the effect it has on the UK. I'm not sure I understand this thing about the EU pretending it wants to increase tariffs to China, yet the Tories are against it. The way I translated the politician speak was that the Tories wanted to increase tariffs, just not using the method the EU want.
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[Rogerborg]

China holds billions of US dollars, they literally can't afford to cripple the USA.

The UK, we're a minnow. Even talking about the issue has resulted in China slapping us down with a 46% tariff on OUR steel.

While I'm never a fan of appeasement, this is not a trade war that we can win.
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[Rob Fzs]

[Lord Percy]

Needs a bit more of this - Splendid Isolation - which was a very Tory thing back in the day. Seems now it's more about the whole 'knowing the price of everything, but the value of nothing' mindset - cheap steel is cheap, cheap is good, everybody wins, we stay chums with China, savings and profits for Britain PLC. In the (very) short term...

[Rogerborg]

If you believe in buying British and supporting British jobs, go and pay £15K and upwards for a new Norton then wait 6 months to see if they can be bothered making it for you.

Can't afford that? Don't want to pay that much?

Well, tough, that's the price when the rhetoric meets the road.
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[Rob Fzs]

[Lord Percy]

It's been a slow decline, I suppose.

We used to have the wherewithal to make goliaths like this:

https://www.mooch.org.uk/trips/yorkshire/images/nrmyork_07.jpg

Actually, in some fantastic sort of irony, this train was designed for China!

This idea of buying cheap, outsourcing, getting others to make/do things for us, or in other words zero protection of in-house manufacturing, has left us pretty much stumped it seems.

I always wondered when this nation of pen-pushing, email-writing and money-juggling, with only a fraction of the previous physical output, would start to cave in on itself.

[Pjay]

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[Lord Percy]

[Jewlio Rides Again LLB]

Didn't the EU discuss tariffs for steel etc. Only to have Georgie boy poo poo it so as to not upset relations with the Chinese?
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[Skudd]

Is it just me or does it seem odd that china is making an indian company skint in England? I know we still give aid to india who haven't even got one toilet per 1000 people with 70% of the population never having used a proper plumbed in toilet, yet they own an English company, with china who have poverty levels beyond the pale, corruption so high that our government looks squeaky clean ans standards so low that they use vegetable oil drums as major supports for multi storey buildings and human life is thought of with such unimportance that H&S isn't part of the language.

China and india are also investing in many african countries that we give aid to and you just know that the africans are going to bury us when they start to become self sufficient in some form or other.

All because we have a guilt complex over slavery and the colonial years.
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[Im-a-Ridah]

This is what happens when you vote for LibLabCon

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[dydey90]

At the risk of getting back on topic, I can't help but feel that this is 15,000 more votes for leaving the EU.
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