Pay to stay, the living wage and social housing.

[sickpup]

I'm wondering what people think of the Geaorge osbourne proposal in relation to social housing.

At the moment the plan is that any hosuehold in social housing earning over £30k a year outside or £40k inside London would have to pay market rent. The extra over and above the social housing rent if a council house would go straight to Central Government. Any house empty because of this would have to be sold as quickly as possible.

With the new living wage of £7.20 an hour any household (outside London) with 2 people working collectively over 81 hours a week would be included in this and could see their rent increased by 100+% Any Household within London where the top two earners collectively earn more than £40k would see their rent rise by somewhere in the region of 300-400%

The only possible way this may not apply is if you are on a benefit of somekind.

As thse wages are not even pasrticularly high, they don't even meet the UK average wage what are peoples views on these proposals?

[recman]

I think it's pretty shitty and I'm thoroughly glad that I don't earn 30k plus. Although last year it was close.
Are they looking at net or gross income?

[sickpup]

[recman]

So what about a single income household?

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[Itchy]

[Rogerborg]

Looks to me like it'll shake up the market a bit. If you have to pay private market rates and can't afford it, well, there's the private market offering you smaller properties that you can afford.

I recall when the Bedroom Tax came in, some sweaty sponger bawling about hoo the cooncil wernae going tae force her oot o' her hoose.

Madam, it's not your house. Many, many people are queued up waiting for housing, or to get into bigger properties.

Perhaps this will lead to something of a correction. Social Justice intensifies.
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So those on £30k a year expect tax payers, many of whom earn less, to sponsor and pay for some of their cheap House?

I know plenty of people on under £30k a year, who don't expect tax payer subsidised housing and cope just fine.

Remind me what poverty is again in the UK? £30k pa, Sky TV, mobile phones, £10 a day on fags and the humiliation of driving a car less than 5 years old? Oo, the horror.....
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[Skudd]

It does make me feel umpty when I see nice flash cars outside council houses, or the occupants boasting about the luxury holidays that they have because they pay so little in rent because it is a council house.

I pay for private and don't have flash holidays or cars, I would do if I was in a council house. If I lived in a council house I could reduce my working hours by 33% and still have all the nice stuff.
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[Polarbear]

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[duhawkz]

what exactly is market rent?

where i live you can rent a 4 bed detached house for 600-700 pcm
that's easily affordable on 30k pa

in londinium a similar property would be 2k+ pcm probably a lot more
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[JonB]

I just don't think you can have a national strategy on housing any longer. It should be entirely devolved to local or regional councils to set their arbitrary limits.

£30k/pa will not sustain a rent in London/South East easily, but £30k/pa in the North East probably would.

Even rents in Bristol on a 2 bed flat are approaching £1k/pcm - someone on £30k/pa will be bringing home around £1.9k net.

Is £900/month enough to pay for heating, food, water and council tax? Probably just about.
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[recman]

So they want you to exist rather than live.

[Rogerborg]

[JonB]

You cannot blame planning on the supply side anymore. There are loads of outline planning permission approved.

The problem is developers are only building at a rate that sustains prices. Which is why you cannot rely on the private sector whose aims are only financial - when what is needed is something societal.
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