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pomidor
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PostPosted: 13:57 - 28 Mar 2016    Post subject: First oil change Reply with quote

Hi everyone, I just bought a budget Skyjet (;
Its brand new apart from 85 miles on the clock and 9 years in the shed.

So, after how many miles do I need to change olil for the first time?
Can I do it on my own or it is better to take it to garage?

Do I need to top it up with oil until this first change?

Thank for any advise
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PostPosted: 14:08 - 28 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd do it now. The cheapest generic 10W40 from your local supermarket will exceed what it was designed to run on.

A Skyjet what? SJ125-23? Looks a bit like a CBR125?

If so, at that age it'll likely have the CG125 pushrod copy-engine. Most things that apply to the CG will apply to the Skyjet. It may or may not have a drain plug right under the engine, or it might just have the big drain plug on the side with a mesh filter behind it.

See: https://hondacg125.awardspace.com/oil.htm

Warm up, drain, refill, couldn't be easier.
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PostPosted: 15:08 - 28 Mar 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sitting in the shed for nine years? I'm not sure what checks you performed prior to handing your money over but I'd get a manual and perform a full service just so that you can then have a recorded list of when everything was last adjusted, lubed or replaced.

Taking the bike to a garage / trusted independent is the easy option but is always going to be far more expensive that the job at hand should ever really be to do since you're paying labour costs. Also taking the bike to a shop never really teaches you anything. I'd advise one of two paths (1) take it a garage to get a full service and do everything on your own from there on out (2) buy the manual and tools you'll need to perform a service and then spend the time checking everything over. The second option is preferable since your knowledge grows alongside your tool collection.

Take whatever route you feel comfortable with and have the money for.
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PostPosted: 17:33 - 02 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is exacly SJ125-23 with FM156 engine.

I had have a Honda CG, which was stolen right from my doorstep
Since that I can move my insurance policy to another bike, but it would not be insured for theft, thats the reason I bought this Skyjet bike. (it costed me same money I have been refunded from insurance - 450 pounds for "brand new bike" - it is still not registered with DVLA - I am doing it right now)

I have a Castrol 15W40 engine oil, which I used for my Honda, but it is not even a subject in a manual for this bike, which is imo strange.
Should I buy exacly this 10W40 and just change the oil straight away?

I know that those questions might sound silly but I am still totally new in biking world.


I have seen it running when I came to see it before buying. Bike sounds fresh and clean but I have no other Skyjet to compare with, so I would stay with my sense and trust in people.

Thanks for every type of advice! (;
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PostPosted: 17:43 - 02 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

15W40 will be fine as well. Unless it's fancy car oil with friction reducers, but if it was fine in the CG it should be good in the Skyjet.
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PostPosted: 11:28 - 03 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
15W40 will be fine as well. Unless it's fancy car oil with friction reducers, but if it was fine in the CG it should be good in the Skyjet.


Is Castrol Magnatec a fancy car oil? I think You actually have described this one Razz
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PostPosted: 13:34 - 03 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I might hesitate to use Magnatec, depending how much snake oil they've actually put in it. Really, for basic engines, the cheaper the better. I've just bought 5L of Lidl's joke brand 10W40 for a whopping £11.99 and it'll be going into both my bikes.
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PostPosted: 17:25 - 03 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

You need to use motorcycle oil..... Otherwise your clutch will slip like a bitch
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PostPosted: 17:40 - 03 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jmh600 wrote:
You need to use motorcycle oil..... Otherwise your clutch will slip like a bitch


Worms. Why you just opened a can of them? Rolling Eyes Laughing
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PostPosted: 19:31 - 03 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jmh600 wrote:
You need to use motorcycle oil..... Otherwise your clutch will slip like a bitch


Shite advice is shite. Rolling Eyes

Cheap mineral or semi synth will do the job nicely.
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PostPosted: 20:27 - 03 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Islander wrote:
Jmh600 wrote:
You need to use motorcycle oil..... Otherwise your clutch will slip like a bitch


Shite advice is shite. Rolling Eyes

Cheap mineral or semi synth will do the job nicely.


Purely talking from experience. We've had multiple customers come in with slipping clutches purely for this reason. Granted, they were larger, more powerful machines, but none the less, I personally wouldn't do it..... Motorcycle oil really is t that much more expensive anyway.....
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PostPosted: 21:51 - 03 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jmh600 wrote:

Purely talking from experience. We've had multiple customers come in with slipping clutches purely for this reason. Granted, they were larger, more powerful machines, but none the less, I personally wouldn't do it..... Motorcycle oil really is t that much more expensive anyway.....



Some years ago, Honda's own HP4 Motorcycle Oil caused clutch slip on Pan Euro's and Fireblades. It seemed like they'd OD'd on friction modifiers themselves and that was JASO MA compliant.

Did your customers say which oils they had used?

It looks like the most likely candidates for having excessive friction modifiers are the <=30w SAE lot. In fact, they are supposed to have "Energy Conserving" on the API sticker.

You should be fairly safe with a 40w oil because it's fairly pointless for a manufacturer to start with a thicker oil just to go and make it more slippery.

Basically anything that's a nw40 and is ACEA A3/B4 should be ok. It should not contain excessive friction modifiers as long as it doesnt have "Energy Conserving" in the API logo and should have good shear stability. ie be suitable for a bike engine with wet clutch + encompassed gearbox.

Why choose car oil over bike oil? Because in most cases its cheaper, it's readily available, it's possibly been tested far more rigorously by multiple manufacturers (this is product specific) it may actually be a better oil depending on what you are buying and what the additive pack contains.

JASO standard is mostly about friction. It does not stipulate cam+gear wear thresholds which other oil standards do.
JASO also has only middling requirements for Shear Stability and High Temp High Shear ratings.

Something like half the oil standards allowed to form the basis of a JASO approved oil are for diesel engines. I don't know of that many diesel motorcycles.

That said. Advising someone to use motorcycle oil in their motorcycle isn't a bad thing Smile


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PostPosted: 22:05 - 03 Apr 2016    Post subject: oil Reply with quote

I've just put 3 litres of castrol 4t bike oil in the wifes astra hope it won't do any harm but the fucking thing wheelies like buggery now Shocked
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