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drzsta
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PostPosted: 07:26 - 04 Apr 2016    Post subject: Why I shouldn't get a 1000... Reply with quote

I've found myself perusing ebay for 04-05 zx10's after reading so much hype over the years to complement my 690smc and f800. Trouble is I can't really explain why I need one.

I got bored of the '09 ZX6 I had years ago because I found it made speed boring/easy. Is the 10r much the same?, or does it really have that brutal delivery that I really would quite like to experience.
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PostPosted: 07:56 - 04 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

My answer isn't specific to ZX's but 600 Vs 1000 is a difference on power. It's simply faster. The power on them is nuts, so get yourself on a test ride, anywhere, and enjoy.

600's you actually need to work for speed compared to the 1000s. If you are bored of how easy the 600s are, then there really is no point of getting a 1000 as that's even easier.

Try one out, what's the worst that could happen?
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PostPosted: 07:58 - 04 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, ZX10R, and other modern superbikes, are the ultimate machines for the open road. I've never been on a ZX10R, but I can compare a 400cc in-line four to a CBR919RR and I can tell you, more displacement will turn you into a lazier rider. The ZX7R, that I own at the moment, has about the best fun/no too much fun ratio, I've ever seen in a motorcylce. Razz

Anyway, I say do it. If you won't like it, then you can always just sell it and get something else. I'm after a ZX10R myself, then I'm going to get back to small displacement engines. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 08:27 - 04 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you want scaring to death get a Suzuki Hayabusa , it will piss off them Kawasakis
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PostPosted: 09:11 - 04 Apr 2016    Post subject: Re: Why I shouldn't get a 1000... Reply with quote

In the end, the acceleration up to 75mph won't be any different to your ZX6R (limited by front wheel coming up) - just that you can achieve the same for higher speeds and possibly when you're a gear out too.
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PostPosted: 10:07 - 04 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used to not understand the appeal of litre bikes until I rode one. Life just becomes soo much easier, all the extra torque ect.

People comment that you don't need a litre bike it's just a waste and I would have maybe agreed a few years ago but they're proper fun. The kinda fun that makes you question how this is legal.

You will probably laugh in your helmet when you open it up for the first time. Id definitely go for it.
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PostPosted: 10:16 - 04 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

spottedtango wrote:
The kinda fun that makes you question how this is legal.
To my mind, anything fun likely isn't legal on a litre bike!

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You will probably laugh in your helmet when you open it up for the first time. Id definitely go for it.

I was more 'meh' - having a 600 I made full use of, I was a bit disappointed to find that there wasn't a massive difference between the litre bike and the 600 - just the same for longer, if you were 'on it' on both bikes. Usually maybe a second in quarter mile times, which in the grand scheme of things isn't massive.
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PostPosted: 10:24 - 04 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm fairly new to biking which probably explains my next statement, but right now I can't understand why anyone needs anything quicker than the SV650 I ride! It gets to 70+ in no time so certainly feels plenty quick enough to me. Maybe when I am more experienced I'll want more. I couldn't imagine the jump from 70bhp to 180bhp+ though. It must be mind blowing.
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PostPosted: 10:30 - 04 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

ondabike wrote:
If you want scaring to death get a Suzuki Hayabusa , it will piss off them Kawasakis


Interesting to note that a friend of mine has a 2009 zzr1400. We both thought it would piss all over my 2006 gsxr 1000.

We tried a few roll ons in gears from 2nd to 6th from starting from 30 to 60 mph in to 3 figure speeds.

The gsxr won everytime.

The zzr is standard (except maybe a air filter...) my gsxr has an air filter and micron gp race can but standard mapping. Both of us around 70kg (more kitted up).

All we could put it down to was extra weight the 14 carries and gearing.
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PostPosted: 10:36 - 04 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

For me a litre sports bike is great for being lazy - if you want to get from A to B with the minimum of effort/involvement.

If you make full use of even an SV, you may notice such a massive jump.
If you shift up early, don't use full throttle in gear etc; the litre bike will be massively faster.

(In the past I've lapped a fast circuit at a similar pace to litre bikes on an SV650 - and my pace wasn't up with the top runners on SVs either.)
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PostPosted: 10:37 - 04 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I was more 'meh' - having a 600 I made full use of, I was a bit disappointed to find that there wasn't a massive difference between the litre bike and the 600 - just the same for longer, if you were 'on it' on both bikes. Usually maybe a second in quarter mile times, which in the grand scheme of things isn't massive.


I can understand times meaning alot on the track or when your racing and the 1000 probably isn't much faster in that sense.

But I found from feel I tended to find the pull under acceleration was much more pronounced going from a 600 to 1000 which added to the fun factor. It was more the ease that you can do things that also made it fun and knowing that type of power is there if you need it.

For example if you have two cars ahead drop it down a gear if you want and overtake where as on a smaller engine you need to drop a few more gears scream it past.

I also tend to think big twins make sense in 1000cc form because they make up for the power they lack compared to 600 inline 4s, if you like that kinda thing.

For example between the r6 and the older rsv tuono there isnt a massive difference in outright bhp.
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PostPosted: 10:41 - 04 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bozzy wrote:
I'm fairly new to biking which probably explains my next statement, but right now I can't understand why anyone needs anything quicker than the SV650 I ride! It gets to 70+ in no time so certainly feels plenty quick enough to me. Maybe when I am more experienced I'll want more. I couldn't imagine the jump from 70bhp to 180bhp+ though. It must be mind blowing.


I felt like that when I first opened the throttle on my SV650, which was my first 'big bike' some 5 years ago. It felt like I was barely holding on by my fingertips. You soon get accustomed to it though, yet you still crave that thrill... hence I've got a ZZR1400 now.
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PostPosted: 10:43 - 04 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

RhynoCZ wrote:


Anyway, I say do it. If you won't like it, then you can always just sell it and get something else.


Salient point. If you have the cash to splash without crippling yourself financially, give one a go. I used to love trading my bikes regularly to try something different, it makes the biking thing more interesting. I used to lose money every time too, but still glad I did it. It's not like you'll be bikeless if you have to sell it cos you don't get on with it.
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PostPosted: 11:01 - 04 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

ondabike wrote:
If you want scaring to death get a Suzuki Hayabusa , it will piss off them Kawasakis


It's not 1000cc big yin. Razz
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PostPosted: 11:36 - 04 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
ondabike wrote:
If you want scaring to death get a Suzuki Hayabusa , it will piss off them Kawasakis


It's not 1000cc big yin. Razz

Oh ,so you do know something about bikes
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PostPosted: 11:41 - 04 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

ondabike wrote:
If you want scaring to death get a Suzuki Hayabusa , it will piss off them Kawasakis


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PostPosted: 11:41 - 04 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

ondabike wrote:

It's not 1000cc big yin. Razz

Oh ,so you do know something about bikes[/quote]

Moar than you. Razz
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PostPosted: 11:45 - 04 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bunch of trolls sitting in their Bedsits with their Honda 90s downstairs
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PostPosted: 11:46 - 04 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

ondabike wrote:
Bunch of trolls sitting in their Bedsits with their Honda 90s downstairs


What's up with your fizzog? Shocked
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PostPosted: 11:57 - 04 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Groove wrote:


Interesting to note that a friend of mine has a 2009 zzr1400. We both thought it would piss all over my 2006 gsxr 1000.

We tried a few roll ons in gears from 2nd to 6th from starting from 30 to 60 mph in to 3 figure speeds.

The gsxr won everytime.

The zzr is standard (except maybe a air filter...) my gsxr has an air filter and micron gp race can but standard mapping. Both of us around 70kg (more kitted up).

All we could put it down to was extra weight the 14 carries and gearing.


the secondary flies on the zzr14 act as a sort of restricting mechanism under 4k rpm.... your friend should try havin a re-map and the flies removed at hill top... not cheap but it does make the bike smoother & keener under the 4k rpm..


ondabike wrote:
If you want scaring to death get a Suzuki Hayabusa , it will piss off them Kawasakis


what scared me was how expensive the running cost is on one of these things is ... back tyres like every 2k miles ... chain and sprockets, brake pads and disks...
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PostPosted: 12:04 - 04 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

A litre bike is a completely different animal to a 600.
110 BHP v 150+ BHP is a fuck-off-in-yo-face-hoowur of a difference and don't let anyone tell you is isn't.

Unless you are on a track or wringing the neck of a 600.
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PostPosted: 12:14 - 04 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
A litre bike is a completely different animal to a 600.
110 BHP v 150+ BHP is a fuck-off-in-yo-face-hoowur of a difference and don't let anyone tell you is isn't.

Unless you are on a track or wringing the neck of a 600.


Absolutely agree. When I stepped up to 1100cc from the 600 Hornet, the power delivery was just incredible. Was like hitting warp speed and then I looked at the speedo and totally backed off. Sure it makes you a little lazier, but the first time you pin a litre bike is a moment you will never forget.
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PostPosted: 12:26 - 04 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Absolutely agree. When I stepped up to 1100cc from the 600 Hornet, the power delivery was just incredible. Was like hitting warp speed and then I looked at the speedo and totally backed off. Sure it makes you a little lazier, but the first time you pin a litre bike is a moment you will never forget.


Nothing wrong with being able to ride a bike lazily. If you're more than a sunny day hooning warrior, chances are you won't want to ride like you're on a track all the time. Thing is, I got the impression that with the particular year and model the OP is interested in, laziness is one thing it doesn't do well, and maybe the GSXR1000 might be better if that was a requirement? But we're talking about a chap who has two bikes already, so the sunny day warrior thing sounds like the gap that needs filling, in which case, the 10R could be just the thing. I know exactly where he's coming from too, as many of my earlier bikes were bought for the reputation they had as being a bit mental, and this particular 10R, as well as the KTM SD1290R appeal to me. I wouldn't be so interested if I could only have the one bike though.
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PostPosted: 12:50 - 04 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

MCN wrote:
or wringing the neck of a 600.

And if you're not; maybe a bus ticket might be a better option than a bike Wink.
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