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stinkwheel
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PostPosted: 16:03 - 05 Apr 2016    Post subject: Don't lose your dog today Reply with quote

The degree of IT fuckwittery I just witnessed today beggars belief.

So. By tomorrow, all dogs in the UK have to be microchipped. By law.

Having implanted a chip, you register the owners and animals details on a database via a website.

So.

With the above in mind. You are in charge of the IT system at the largest of the microchip databases.

Which day do you pick to do the live roll-out of a brand new website?

a) A couple of months before the microchip deadline.

b) A couple of months after the deadline.

c) The day before.

Yeah. Rolling Eyes

So. Predictably, their website is down. The online submission form when we did get to it is buggy as hell (mobile phone number is a mandatory field. Not everyone owns a mobile and many people wouldn't want this database to have their mobile number).

Can't even call to complain, because their phone lines are engaged.

So don't lose your dog today, your microchip is useless. Nobody can check the database.
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PostPosted: 16:13 - 05 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't own a dog so it isn't a problem for me, I'm just replying about the phone numbers thing.... I've been filling out a few job applications recently and some have had mandatory home and mobile numbers, I have both but can never remember my landline number (even though I could just phone my mobile and save it in my own details).... so I just put my mobile number in both boxes
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PostPosted: 16:24 - 05 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

11 random numbers - problem solved.
also what the hell did you expect.
the question I am thinking, is why the hell wasn't your dog microchipped long before this. all the people I know who have dogs had them microchipped and registered years ago.
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PostPosted: 16:33 - 05 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wasn't even aware all dogs had to be chipped.
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PostPosted: 16:38 - 05 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chip owners who don't pick up their dogs eggs. Thumbs Up
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PostPosted: 16:43 - 05 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ste wrote:
Chip owners who don't pick up their dogs eggs. Thumbs Up


Burn 'em with fire!

Do I get a refund for a fourteen year old chip?
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PostPosted: 16:48 - 05 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Find dog. Dog not chipped. Fine dog?

I'm sure police forces all across the country will be off down the local "traveller" camp to enforce this tomorrow.
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PostPosted: 16:53 - 05 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

ive had all my pets chipped, dont see the point in having to go through the hassle to try and get back a pet thats stolen if i have no proof of ID. Although no one seemed interested when my cat was being stolen by stealth feeding mode.
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PostPosted: 18:08 - 05 Apr 2016    Post subject: Re: Don't lose your dog today Reply with quote

Could be worse - you could have to use the Dartford crossing!
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PostPosted: 18:18 - 05 Apr 2016    Post subject: Re: Don't lose your dog today Reply with quote

G wrote:
Could be worse - you could have to use the Dartford crossing!


Hey that's easy. You just swap car and wait the 7 months before they update your Local Residents Discount Scheme vehicle, whilst paying full whack for your new car to go through, whilst they let the new owner of your new vehicle run down your free crossings and then you raise a complaint wait for them to say: Circumstances outside of our control
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PostPosted: 18:26 - 05 Apr 2016    Post subject: Re: Don't lose your dog today Reply with quote

About 3 months into it, I sent them an email.
About 6 months in I got a reply thanking me for my 'recent correspondence'.

Some high up person didn't even know how the basics of charging vans, as was written on their website etc.

They kept trying to blame DVLA for everything, when that was clearly not the case.

Still not sorted.
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PostPosted: 19:27 - 05 Apr 2016    Post subject: Re: Don't lose your dog today Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
The degree of IT fuckwittery I just witnessed today beggars belief.

So. By tomorrow, all dogs in the UK have to be microchipped. By law.

Having implanted a chip, you register the owners and animals details on a database via a website.

So.

With the above in mind. You are in charge of the IT system at the largest of the microchip databases.

Which day do you pick to do the live roll-out of a brand new website?

a) A couple of months before the microchip deadline.

b) A couple of months after the deadline.

c) The day before.

Yeah. Rolling Eyes

So. Predictably, their website is down. The online submission form when we did get to it is buggy as hell (mobile phone number is a mandatory field. Not everyone owns a mobile and many people wouldn't want this database to have their mobile number).

Can't even call to complain, because their phone lines are engaged.

So don't lose your dog today, your microchip is useless. Nobody can check the database.


Do the dog owners have to do anything other than have avert implant a chip?

Ours was fitted about 7 years ago. Does anything need to change to a new system?
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PostPosted: 20:43 - 05 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

No.
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PostPosted: 22:43 - 05 Apr 2016    Post subject: Re: Don't lose your dog today Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
The degree of IT fuckwittery I just witnessed today beggars belief.

So. Predictably, their website is down. The online submission form when we did get to it is buggy as hell (mobile phone number is a mandatory field. Not everyone owns a mobile and many people wouldn't want this database to have their mobile number).

Can't even call to complain, because their phone lines are engaged.

So don't lose your dog today, your microchip is useless. Nobody can check the database.



Has it been outsourced to a private company, by any chance?

A very similar thing happened when the MOT system changed from a government agency to a private company - instant chaos, web based reporting system down for days/weeks at a time, training courses suspended, various other systems ceased without warning, nobody to talk to about any of it.

It's just starting to become reliable, six months later.
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PostPosted: 22:52 - 05 Apr 2016    Post subject: Re: Don't lose your dog today Reply with quote

I asked the transport secretary about penalty clauses for the Dart charge project.

He merely passed me on to someone in the company, who didn't want to disclose such things to me.
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PostPosted: 23:09 - 05 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a pet microchip. Do I have to register it by law? Thinking
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PostPosted: 23:26 - 05 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Place bets that it's Capita behind the scenes.
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PostPosted: 00:32 - 06 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a chip shop about 1/2 a mile from our house and dog shite everywhere?

I don't know what the solution is. Thinking
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PostPosted: 08:43 - 06 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had my dog chipped but didn't notice any performance gains at all Thumbs Down
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PostPosted: 08:49 - 06 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lee Wright wrote:
I had my dog chipped but didn't notice any performance gains at all Thumbs Down

Did you remove the cat from it?
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PostPosted: 10:00 - 06 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

scorps wrote:
ive had all my pets chipped, dont see the point in having to go through the hassle to try and get back a pet thats stolen if i have no proof of ID. Although no one seemed interested when my cat was being stolen by stealth feeding mode.


This!
I am very much the guilty party!
That being said, the cat does love us more...
Owners are not at home a fair bit and he comes to ours, not even looking/bothering us for food a lot of the time.
He just wants a person to cuddle up to in the evening...

We're wrapped round his little finger really Doh! Shifty

He does stay in at home when his owners are at home though...

Does this make us bad people or just 'the bit on the side'?
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stinkwheel
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PostPosted: 10:49 - 06 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to be clear.

I'm the one putting the chips in (anyone can do it, not just a vet although there have been some monumental fuckups by lay microchippers) and I or my staff register them online for our clients because many of them are either illiterate or very hard of thinking. We don't have to do this for them, they could go home and (fail to) register it themself, but we charge more than say a dog groomer to put a chip in and consider this part of "value added" service.

There are several databases out there, all of which are, and always have been, privately run. We use the largest one which is called petlog.

Their website is still down. Their phone lines are still constantly ringing unobtainable.

If you tell the British public they have to do something by a certain day, yes some of them will do it in advance but most of them will wait until the last minute (tax returns for example). Especially if it's something they have to pay for.

This was entirely predictable, the legislation has been on the books for the last 2 years which is why we stocked up with ten times our normal stock of microchips at the beginning of last month. The chip manufacturer upped production last year. It's obvious the increase in web traffic was going to be immense.

The new website is also one of those "tablet" type ones and a nightmare to use from a desktop PC.

We've managed to stay on the website without it falling over to put in details for 2 of the animals we chipped last night. We're a tiny practice. Others must be banging their heads off the walls. As it is, we've got a full mornings work for one of our lay staff to clear the backlog.

Currently, if someone comes in with a chipped stray, we have no way at all of checking who it belongs to because the petlog website is constantly falling over. If it's one we put the chip in I could find it off our own records.

It does also make me wonder if it's going to lose details registered during this period. I reckon there could be a whole load of these freshly chipped dogs whose details have fallen off the radar.

It's an idiotic idea anyway. I just had someone in now who said that there's no way they're paying £14.50 to chip their dog. When they asked what would happen if it wasn't chipped, we told her if it was picked up straying by the dog warden and found to be unchipped, she could be fined £500. The response? "That's easy then. If it wanders off I wont go looking for it.".

I forsee a huge increase in unclaimed strays in the near future as a direct result of this law.
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PostPosted: 11:19 - 06 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:

It's an idiotic idea anyway. I just had someone in now who said that there's no way they're paying £14.50 to chip their dog. When they asked what would happen if it wasn't chipped, we told her if it was picked up straying by the dog warden and found to be unchipped, she could be fined £500. The response? "That's easy then. If it wanders off I wont go looking for it.".

I forsee a huge increase in unclaimed strays in the near future as a direct result of this law.


Are the people who won't/can't pay £14 for their dog to be chipped. The kind of people who should be even owning animals? It really does drive me insane.

I honestly, have no idea how, or other vets put up with that kind of attitude from owners.
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PostPosted: 11:50 - 06 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

lihp wrote:

Are the people who won't/can't pay £14 for their dog to be chipped. The kind of people who should be even owning animals? It really does drive me insane.

I honestly, have no idea how, or other vets put up with that kind of attitude from owners.


They are the kind of people this piece of legislation was intended to catch and the exact people it won't catch because they wont play along with it.

They annoy the crap out of me but you have to work round them.

It's why vets will NOT be the people checking for chipped dogs because it could stop people with unchipped dogs seeking attention for their pets.
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PostPosted: 11:52 - 06 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
I forsee a huge increase in unclaimed strays in the near future as a direct result of this law.

Suffering stacks of Staffies.
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