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kenmal07
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PostPosted: 10:02 - 18 Apr 2016    Post subject: 250cc Naked bikes ??? Reply with quote

Hi everybody

New guy on this forum Smile So I'm thinking about getting my license A done and wanted to start out with a 250cc bike. Thing is I prefer 'Naked' bikes and was thinking about buying a Hyosung GT250 (read a couple of great reviews me being 6 ft tall and weighing in the 90-95 kg region).

So anybody got any other suggestion to good looking 250cc naked bikes ?

Thanks guys
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PostPosted: 10:48 - 18 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I came to biking very late in life (mid forties). When I was a teenager my friends were riding (and falling off) a succession of 50's, 100cc and 250cc bikes and naturally when I started thinking about riding a bike this is what I thought I would be doing.
I soon found out that 50's are REALLY crap, 2 strokes are practically extinct and the choices are really between having a bit of a laugh on a sub 125cc machine or doing direct access full A licence on a 600cc plus machine where the world is your Lobster and you can ride anything

It seems to me bikes between 125 and 400 aren't that common these days so why not just go for a 500cc Royal Enfield.
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PostPosted: 11:10 - 18 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a 250cc supermoto for sale in the "sales" section.
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PostPosted: 11:26 - 18 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why would you do your training and tests on a 600cc+ 40kW+ bike and then take such a massive step down?

I'm not criticising it - I ride a low powered Enfield for fun - I'm just wondering what's informing your decision.

I'd suggest that you wait until you're licensed up, or have at least ridden a training big for a bit, before pondering what you want to own.
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PostPosted: 11:40 - 18 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know it will be a massive step down but right now all I need is a bike to commute from home to work (about 6 miles) without breaking the bank (£3000 max). But as you said it's inevitable that some time in the future I will get tired of it.
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PostPosted: 12:50 - 18 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smaller capacity bikes aren't necessarily cheaper. There aren't many 250cc bikes around, which means you aren't going to be picking and choosing. There are only 69 examples of the GT250 still on the road in the UK, including the faired version. If you're after the naked then you're hoping that one of the 32 running bikes left come on the market.

Those numbers mean that parts supply is also sparse. You'll be sourcing salvage parts in the UK, or buying direct from Korea, if you can still get them.

Compare against something like a Bandit 600. Thousands still on the road. Can be had for under £1K, parts are everywhere and it'll return 50-something MPG - you might be able to do better, e.g. with a CB500.

If you're stretching every penny, then 125s will do the job. If you're going bigger, I'd suggest going for something popular.

Just a suggestion, mind. I had fun on my '305 and enjoy my Enfield. I just wouldn't recommend that route as a default choice if you have other options to try. If you can bag a good one and you enjoy it, sure. Just noting that you're unlikely to be in a position to be fussy about what you get.
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PostPosted: 14:38 - 18 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I planned to get a 250 after passing my test, but once you get a taste of that powahh you'll want something more. That's not to say I don't still want one and won't have one in future, a light bike with a bit more power than a 125, yet decent fuel economy.

They're expensive compared to 125's and bigger bikes, new and used. I wouldn't go full on Bandit Very Happy but something inbetween.
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PostPosted: 16:49 - 18 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi

I've replaced my 125 naff weather bike, with a 250 naff weather bike, which will be more than adaquate for a 6 mile commute, I do a 50 mile round trip commute, on the M54 & M6. I've also got the Mash 400, for general commuting in nice weather, and the CF650 for those longer trips.

The Honley 250, is a nice bike to ride, it's also a big bike, physically, for a 250cc bike.

It has got plenty of good reviews, and has a very active community in the states.
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PostPosted: 17:54 - 18 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sinnis 250cc Retrostar ?
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PostPosted: 18:57 - 18 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was tempted to suggest 1 of those as well, but not having ridden 1 I couldn't recommend it. If you're looking for something older, then you could look at an old Honda CB250/CD250, although the 1 I had struggled to get to 60
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PostPosted: 08:52 - 19 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

linuxyeti wrote:
[I have 3 bikes]

Don't you have an Enfield as well?

You're prepared to spread your mileage across 3? 4? newish bikes while they all depreciate away, but OP is asking about his first bike.

If you could only have one, would it be a 250?

If you were putting all your miles on one bike, would it be one with "ask and you might get lucky" parts supply?
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PostPosted: 09:05 - 19 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are some good 250's if the OP's interested Smile Just not that many left, bikes like the Hornet 250 and other imports.

Consider the Duke 200, has around the same power as most 250's, just be aware there are issues over build quality. The same can be said about newer Honda's, although the CRF250L/M seem quite highly rated, despite being made in Thailand and looking a bit cheap.
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PostPosted: 09:25 - 19 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
There are some good 250's if the OP's interested Smile Just not that many left, bikes like the Hornet 250 and other imports.

Consider the Duke 200, has around the same power as most 250's, just be aware there are issues over build quality. The same can be said about newer Honda's, although the CRF250L/M seem quite highly rated, despite being made in Thailand and looking a bit cheap.


My friend has a Duke 200, sounds great and since buying about a year ago hasn't had any problems. My only issue with it is the looks.
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PostPosted: 09:48 - 19 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
linuxyeti wrote:
[I have 3 bikes]

Don't you have an Enfield as well?


Yes I have an Enfield as well. Although, I don't view the Enfield as a commuter bike, and it's quite rare that I use it as a commuter bike.

Next up, depreciation, I don't give it a thought, even more so considering how my Triumph did depreciate, I enjoy the bikes for what they are.

At 1 time, i only had a 125, and at the time doing an 80 miles a day 5 days a week round trip, and yes it was chinese, and back then, it was 1 that got delivered in a crate. When, I moved up to my Jinlun 250, I kept the 125 as well. But I was perfectly happy commuting 80 miles a day on the 250, at that time the run was M54/M6/M42 predominently. The main driver for going bigger, was after a trip to London 2 up on the 250, whilst the bike handled it pretty well, the missus wanted a little more comfort on the back, that's where the step up to the VTX1300 came in.

So yes, the 250 was my first 'big bike' and I was more than happy to use it daily. Also went on some bigger trips with the 250, usually up to Manchester visiting family, or across to Rotherham to see friends. Even, if the bike was chinese, and that's now over 10 years ago, and I still view the JL250 with plenty of affection, I would still have it, if it wasn't stolen, and burnt out Crying or Very sad

As a daily 80 mile a day round trip, which I think is much more than that of the OP, then yes I would have absolutely no qualms about using it, a 250 is a good alround bike for medium commutes. I like my 400 for that purpose, as it has that little extra poke, but also, because I like the look a little more that the Sinnis 250, which I was on the verge of buying.

Do I feel comfortable it being a chinese bike? Yes absolutely, for example, the RX3 has sold very well worldwide, add to that this list of tutorials for doing your own maintainence / mods here

https://www.cscmotorcycles.com/RX3-Tutorials-s/282.htm

Spares are very easy to get hold of, via the UK distributor and if there's trouble there, then CSC in the states, ebay under the ZS250GY-3, engine is a NC250, aliexpress and tabao, for orders from china using Tabao, I use an agent, the one I use most is Tabaoring.
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PostPosted: 09:56 - 19 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is the Suzuki Inazuma 250.
They do a Yamaha YBR 250, but its a bit hard to get to as they don't sell it in the UK market.

6 miles should be doable on a push bike so I wouldn't limit yourself to only the 250cc range without there is a specific reason.
The difference between 50mpg and 75mpg on a 12 mile round commute is going to be about 30p.
At ~250 working days a year at 12 miles a day, is 3000 miles so your looking at less then £100 difference over a year.
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PostPosted: 11:18 - 19 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

kenmal07 wrote:
My friend has a Duke 200, sounds great and since buying about a year ago hasn't had any problems. My only issue with it is the looks.

What don't you like about the looks? I don't like the 690 duke (2012>), think it looks like a cheap chinese supermoto, but the 125/200 I quite like.

There are still some new 200's about, I know someone who got one for £2600 on 3 years 0% interest.
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PostPosted: 07:38 - 20 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
kenmal07 wrote:
My friend has a Duke 200, sounds great and since buying about a year ago hasn't had any problems. My only issue with it is the looks.

What don't you like about the looks? I don't like the 690 duke (2012>), think it looks like a cheap chinese supermoto, but the 125/200 I quite like.

There are still some new 200's about, I know someone who got one for £2600 on 3 years 0% interest.


In my opinion it looks a tad aggressive.
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PostPosted: 08:32 - 21 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

kenmal07 wrote:
In my opinion it looks a tad aggressive.

Ah ok, I like that about it Smile Do you prefer 'classic' styling?
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PostPosted: 10:20 - 21 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

M.C wrote:
kenmal07 wrote:
In my opinion it looks a tad aggressive.

Ah ok, I like that about it Smile Do you prefer 'classic' styling?


Yes I do prefer the 'classic' styling.

Just saw the Cleveland CycleWerks .. They look amazing.
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PostPosted: 09:53 - 24 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

What kind of roads do you ride on?

I've run a Suzuki Inazuma GW250 for the last three years and as a commuter, can't fault it. Around town it's great fun and makes me grin from ear to ear. It can out accelerate anything from the lights to around 40mph, even hitting the rev limiter at 93mph (about 86mph gps) fairly easily but it's not fun on the A-roads as anything near 70mph is flat out and of course, kills the economy.

As a commuter I fill the tank with around 12-13quid a week and that gets me bang on 125miles
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PostPosted: 12:11 - 24 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Inazuma ticks all the boxes
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PostPosted: 12:33 - 24 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd have to like the bike firstly and predominantly, and then the capacity can be incidental.
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PostPosted: 13:32 - 24 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

£13 for 120 miles isn't that great fuel economy. Less than 50mpg.

Bikes which do 80mpg and more than 50mph is a huge category.

My Royal Enfield gets round about 80mpg. A cb500 would manage maybe 60+mpg
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PostPosted: 14:58 - 24 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Agreed, that's utter mince. Are those numbers right?

I see that WK do a 250 for £1500 + OTR which is pretty much what I'd want to pay for one. 19kW, so just enough to be real world usable.
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PostPosted: 15:07 - 24 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:

I see that WK do a 250 for £1500 + OTR which is pretty much what I'd want to pay for one. 19kW, so just enough to be real world usable.


How is it that I'm suddenly sorely tempted by one of these? I've been looking for a lightweight little town bike that doesn't break the bank for a while - settled on an MSX but the prices on those seem to be climbing; you'd be paying £500 more than the OTR price of the WK for a near 4 year old bike, with less power.
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