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guanchi
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PostPosted: 21:13 - 27 Apr 2016    Post subject: Caught riding on pavement? Reply with quote

Hi there!!
I have been reading this forum for a while but never managed to register.
Yeaterday I was going back home after work and found that the road I always take to get home was closed by the Police (I think there was a car accident or something)..
I found another way to get home but at some point I rode on the footpath to get to the main street. Today I passed by this road again and realised that is there is a camera (not sure if it's a traffic camera or a safety camera as it is in a residential area) so I might have caught when crossing the footpath.
Does anyone know what type of penalty I could potentially get?
I know, I should have done it, I am stupid!!
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PostPosted: 21:18 - 27 Apr 2016    Post subject: Re: Caught riding on pavement? Reply with quote

guanchi wrote:
Does anyone know what type of penalty I could potentially get?


Potentially? Dangerous driving.

Realistically? Nothing.
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PostPosted: 21:21 - 27 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got fined £30 in about 1988 for the same. I realise that it is of no use at all but so is worrying about something that probably won't happen.
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PostPosted: 21:26 - 27 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

I hereby submit a formal request to see a google map link to the footpath that you rode your motorcycle on alongside a google map link to the location of this camera.

It would greatly help our investigations into this matter that you admit taking part in that we had no idea about. I am, however, on my night shift at the moment and a big greasy kebab would greatly soften my mood.

Look forwarding to hearing from you.

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PostPosted: 21:29 - 27 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for your responses guys!

Why do you think nothing will happen?? I thought these things were enforced a lot in the UK.
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PostPosted: 21:33 - 27 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

guanchi wrote:
Thanks for your responses guys!

Why do you think nothing will happen?? I thought these things were enforced a lot in the UK.


Someone would have to have been sat there watching that camera at that time for you to have been seen.

Chances are low if it's not a busy junction.
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PostPosted: 21:38 - 27 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pjay wrote:
guanchi wrote:
Thanks for your responses guys!

Why do you think nothing will happen?? I thought these things were enforced a lot in the UK.


Someone would have to have been sat there watching that camera at that time for you to have been seen.

Chances are low if it's not a busy junction.


Makes sense as this is not like a speed camera or traffic light camera that pictures are taken automatically.

Just out of curiosity, anyone has an idea of the penalty? I mean something more up to date that the £30 in 1988 Smile
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PostPosted: 22:15 - 27 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

for riding on a pavement

I'd imagine they will hang draw and quarter you.
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PostPosted: 22:16 - 27 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's exactly the same "offence" as riding a bicycle, or driving or even parking a car on a footway/pavement. The most you're likely to get is a £100 FPN. I don't believe it's endorsable as a specific offence.
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PostPosted: 23:04 - 27 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ichy wrote:
I got fined £30 in about 1988 for the same. I realise that it is of no use at all but so is worrying about something that probably won't happen.


So did I in '87. Offence was something like riding other than on a public highway. £30 no points which was best part of a week's wages for me back then.
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PostPosted: 23:38 - 27 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
It's exactly the same "offence" as riding a bicycle, or driving or even parking a car on a footway/pavement. The most you're likely to get is a £100 FPN. I don't believe it's endorsable as a specific offence.


Would riding on a traffic island be the same offence? I'm thinking of this type of divider between cycle lane and carriageway. I found a Tfl map on which it is labelled as a traffic island: https://goo.gl/maps/ppBtV1Kr7WP2
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PostPosted: 23:42 - 27 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has anyone been done for wheelies? I might need to stop doing them...
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PostPosted: 08:14 - 28 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pjay wrote:
Has anyone been done for wheelies? I might need to stop doing them...


G got a section whatever it is for wheelying in a closed car park. It's basically a vehicular ASBO. One more of those and his bike could be seized and crushed.
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PostPosted: 09:05 - 28 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got a £60 fine for this about 5 years ago.

Whatever.
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PostPosted: 09:16 - 28 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
It's exactly the same "offence" as riding a bicycle, or driving or even parking a car on a footway/pavement. The most you're likely to get is a £100 FPN. I don't believe it's endorsable as a specific offence.


Very Happy this morning (just off my camera) junction of Cumberland st. and Eglington st. two Polis cyclists pedal up to red light on Eglington St. bump up onto pavement and continue down pavement on Cumberland St.

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(fail for not getting footage, and forwarding to crimestoppers)
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PostPosted: 10:15 - 28 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sure, Glasgow pedal-coppers can be seen treating the whole city centre footways as "shared use".

Undinist wrote:
Would riding on a traffic island be the same offence?

No idea, chap. We're going back to the Highways Act 1835 (no, not a typo).

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/Will4/5-6/50/section/72

Highways Act 1835 S72 wrote:

72 Penalty on persons committing nuisances by riding on footpaths, &c. If any person shall wilfully ride upon any footpath or causeway by the side of any road made or set apart for the use or accommodation of foot passengers; or shall wilfully lead or drive any horse, ass, sheep, mule, swine, or cattle or carriage of any description, or any truck or sledge, upon any such footpath or causeway; or shall tether any horse, ass, mule, swine, or cattle, on any highway, so as to suffer or permit the tethered animal to be thereon; every person so offending in any of the cases aforesaid shall for each and every such offence forfeit and pay any sum not exceeding level 2 on the standard scale[*], over and above the damages occasioned thereby.

[*] Up to £500 coin of the realm.

I occasionally ride along this piece of, uh, raised carriageway, in order to make progress, having seen copper bikers perform u-turns across it. Surely they wouldn't do anything illegal. Whistle

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PostPosted: 10:26 - 28 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Riding on the footway COULD be used as a basis for a S59. If they were feeling in a bad mood.

Get off the bike and push it across the footway next time. If you're pushing it, you're a pedestrian.

I used to quite regularly push my bike through a 10 yard stretch of one-way system.
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PostPosted: 10:27 - 28 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Years ago when I was despatching on bank runs, I was once told by a policeman that it is legal to ride on a footpath providing 1) you ride at 90 degrees to the path and 2) you are proceeding from the road directly to an authorised parking area for motorcycles. This, I fear, would not be a defence for anyone caught riding ALONG a path........
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PostPosted: 10:30 - 28 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've lived in London for most of my life and have seen many people use pavements to ride on. The main culprits would be pizza delivery peds, they can be seen riding along the pavement from a dropped kerb to the front of the pizza shop, in full view of traffic cameras. Then you also have the times when they will ride into pedestrian zones in housing estates, to pull up outside the main door to the block they are delivering to.

I suppose it all depends on where you live, I have a friend that lives near Old St and always see people there riding along paths. There are a few blocks of flats there and parking bays that are more easily accessible by cutting along a path than riding around the old st one way system to get to.

I'm sure none of these guys get tickets, even though the place is well covered by council/police cameras, as they have been doing it for years.
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PostPosted: 11:06 - 28 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Petemate wrote:
I was once told by a policeman that it is legal to ride on a footpath providing 1) you ride at 90 degrees to the path and 2) you are proceeding from the road directly to an authorised parking area for motorcycles. This, I fear, would not be a defence for anyone caught riding ALONG a path........

I don't know what statute he's thinking of. It would seem to be covered by HA 1835 S72, to which there's no statutory defence since parking wasn't even contemplated then. You're committing an offence by driving across a dropped kerb onto your own driveway. You monster.

If he's thinking of RTA 1988 S34 "Prohibition of driving mechanically propelled vehicles elsewhere than on roads" then it's not clear if it applies to footpaths/footways/pavements that do form part of a road, only to "common land, moorland or land of any other description, not being land forming part of a road [or] on any road being a footpath, bridleway or restricted byway"

If he wants to argue that RTA applies, then there's still nothing explicit about going directly across it, only the separation of road and parking: "It is not an offence under this section to drive a mechanically propelled vehicle on any land within fifteen yards of a road, being a road on which a motor vehicle may lawfully be driven, for the purpose only of parking the vehicle on that land."

I don't think many pavements are 15 yards wide. And note that it's about the separation of road and off-road land, not strictly the distance that you have to drive or ride to get there.

However, that "only" does look ripe for being interpreted as "by the most direct route" or similar, and I expect there will be case law on this.

Anyone really interested could have a look for it on https://www.bailii.org/
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PostPosted: 11:16 - 28 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
It's exactly the same "offence" as riding a bicycle, or driving or even parking a car on a footway/pavement. The most you're likely to get is a £100 FPN. I don't believe it's endorsable as a specific offence.


I got done for it last year, CU20, 3 points and £100. Looking back on it now, I see that it's not quite appropriate and there's a specific FPN for it with no points.

It was just a general community patrol that got me. Looking back at the video, if I had took off from the lights any faster they wouldn't have caught me to pull me over. If I'd seen them and knew they would be in pursuit, I'd have belted it and got off easy. Poor obs on my part.
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PostPosted: 12:29 - 28 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

How on earth did they figure that as a CU20? What were the circumstances? Do you recall what actual offence was on the FPN blackmail offer?
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PostPosted: 13:01 - 28 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

stinkwheel wrote:
Riding on the footway COULD be used as a basis for a S59. If they were feeling in a bad mood.

Get off the bike and push it across the footway next time. If you're pushing it, you're a pedestrian.

I used to quite regularly push my bike through a 10 yard stretch of one-way system.


I recall reading [on BCF somewhere] that you can push your bike along a path - but if it was a one-way street then you could only push it in the direction of the traffic.*

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PostPosted: 14:32 - 28 Apr 2016    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogerborg wrote:
How on earth did they figure that as a CU20? What were the circumstances? Do you recall what actual offence was on the FPN blackmail offer?


Was rushing home, pavement ended at a set of temporary lights, so I rode along it about 20 feet to get to the front of the queue.

Can't remember the FPN writing, I'll see if I can find it. I recall him saying it was either that, or Dangerous Driving.
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