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 Ste Not Work Safe

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DAS everytime.
The longer you're wobbling around with L plates, the more likely you are to become a statistic.
Oh and I expect that most DAS courses will concentrate on mod 1 first.  |
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 midsguy6942 L Plate Warrior
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[quote="Ste"]DAS everytime.
The longer you're wobbling around with L plates, the more likely you are to become a statistic.
Oh and I expect that most DAS courses will concentrate on mod 1 first. [/quote]
thanks for the reply . ____________________ if its got tits or tyres its trouble .. |
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I'm not entirely sure what you're asking or if you're clear on the routes available. Module 1 is just the precursor to Module 2, it doesn't get you anywhere by itself.
You have two real options open to you:
1) Buy a 125, insure it, and cane the nuts off of it until you feel confident enough to do your training and tests on a 600cc+ bike.
2) Do your training and tests on a 600cc+ bike.
I'm fiercely ambivalent. I got a 125 and had great fun larking around on it for a year, but that was when you could get a full license (eventually) by passing the tests on your own 125.
That window has closed. To get a full bike license, you'll have to do the tests on a big bike sooner or later.
The secret is that big bike are easier to ride. It seems counter intuitive, but as soon as you get them moving, they're more stable, less prone to stalling, abd typically have better brakes and suspension.
If you got on with your CBT instructors, I'd suggest that you drop back down and see if you can blag a quick go on a full-fat 'A' bike. It should very quickly help make up your mind about which way you want to go. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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| Ste wrote: |
The longer you're wobbling around with L plates, the more likely you are to become a statistic. |
Is there a statistic to back that up?
| Rogerborg wrote: |
The secret is that big bike are easier to ride. It seems counter intuitive, but as soon as you get them moving, they're more stable, less prone to stalling, abd typically have better brakes and suspension. |
Easier once you have the skills to handle them, if you can't control the power and handle the extra weight, it's probably going to end badly.
125's are great to learn on, it's just that normally within a few months of wobbling about you'll be wanting to move onto something better, so you have to seriously consider if it's worthwhile.
Having a car license at least gives you a bit of a headstart, with regards to (hopefully) knowing the rules of the road, and the basic principle of clutch/gears even though it's obviously different on a bike. |
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| M.C wrote: | if you can't control the power and handle the extra weight, it's probably going to end badly. |
While under instruction or on test?
There's nothing forcing you to but a 600+ bike once you're licensed up, it's just that there's no point any more in picking up bad habits (like, for example, ragging the throttle everywhere) while delaying the training and test process. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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| M.C wrote: | | Rogerborg wrote: | [Cocking it up] under instruction or on test? |
What does that change? |
That an instructor will tell you to go very gently on the throttle at first, then encourage you to open it up progressively when and where it's safe to do so. You know, instruction.
Of course, you could ignore that and spack it up the very first time you get on it, but that's an risk regardless of anything that comes before, especially if...
| M.C wrote: | Grabbing angry fist fulls of throttle is probably the one real bad habit you get from a 125. |
... it's the very habit that will put you in a ditch on a 600.
I'm in favour of either: genuinely progressive access like in the bad old days (I went 125 250 305 500 800), or learning on the type of bike that you're planning to ride.
The 125 600 jump seems to me like the very thing that you'd want to avoid.
Granted, I hear one or two people managed to survive it.  ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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| Rogerborg wrote: |
That an instructor will tell you to go very gently on the throttle at first, then encourage you to open it up progressively when and where it's safe to do so. You know, instruction. |
I do know, day 1 of my training the instructor said you don't have to go as fast as me through these corners, then f**ked off into the distance. He was impressed when he waited for us to catch up he only had to wait for a dozen seconds, rather than the 30 seconds for others. Great instruction that
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I'm in favour of either: genuinely progressive access like in the bad old days (I went 125  250  305  500  800), or learning on the type of bike that you're planning to ride.
The 125  600 jump seems to me like the very thing that you'd want to avoid.
Granted, I hear one or two people managed to survive it.  |
You forgot the year on a bicycle So nothing to 600's better than 125 to 600? I agree progressive access is better, how the old licensing system was, but surely some experience is better than none. |
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OK, a decent instructor. There must be a few.
| M.C wrote: | You forgot the year on a bicycle  |
I did at that. Fair point, and something I'd definitely encourage.
| M.C wrote: | So nothing to 600's better than 125 to 600? |
I don't know for sure. Problem is, no single person can try all the routes, so we're just comparing notes.
What we can say for sure is that if you want a full license then you're not going to get it on a 125 any more. If you're going to 'A' tests sooner or later, then I'd suggest sooner. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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Exactly so. What possible benefit is there in postponing getting trained? MSX afterwards for lulz if you like. ____________________ Biking is 1/20th as dangerous as horse riding.
GONE: HN125-8, LF-250B, GPz 305, GPZ 500S, Burgman 400 // RIDING: F650GS (800 twin), Royal Enfield Bullet Electra 500 AVL, Ninja 250R because racebike |
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I planned to go down the "CBT and fucking about for a year on a 125" route.
I could only stand the L-plates for 4 months, and did my DAS. I'm still riding a 125, but the training was well worth it. I think L-plates are inherently dangerous - they tend to induce a rage effect.
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I'm 49, never ridden on the road until this year (raced motox 25 years ago so not completely new to bikes).
Bought a DT125RE (comfy with a 2t due to racing), did my CBT and have been having a blast on it ever since.
The reason I didn't go straight to DAS was because I wasn't sure road riding would be for me, given that I didn't want to shell out the big money for the training/test.
I figured a year to 18 months and I'd know if I will stick with it. Having done 4 months I'm now starting to get very rude thoughts about racing again, but, I'm still loving the 125 so far.
Quite happy with it.
Each to their own  ____________________ VFR800X - CFMoto 450MT - TTR250 |
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