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Hi Generally speaking Lexmoto seem to choose bikes that are likely to be reliable, I had an Arrow in the past, and it was perfectly fine, so much so, when my nephew wanted to start, I got him a second hand 1. Having said that, from what I hear, the ZSA, effectively the replacement for the Arrow in their lineup, isn't as good as the arrow it's replaced.
As you say, if needed parts are easy to come by, and I think Lexmoto are quite open to who saying the original bike manufacturer & model number is, helping provide alternative options to buying spares.
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| Gosties wrote: | I own a Lexmoto Street 125 and have had horrendous problems getting certain parts. |
Which parts, and do you know why? Because it's discontinued?
I'm genuinely interested, as Lexmoto started as a parts importer and they've had a good reputation for it. They went out of their way to source me a mudguard to fit specific dimensions rather than a particular bike, for example.
But what linuxyeti said: stick to the best selling bikes. I'm disappointed that they've got so many models on the go, with so much overlap between them. I get why, they want bikes with a higher margins than the popular Vixen and Arrow, and are throwing dozens at the market to see if anything sticks. But that's a great way to ruin a hard won reputation for supporting what they sell, if they're not providing the vital parts backup.
[UPDATE] Shit-the-bed, they've finally dropped the Vixen and Arrow. Well, it's a lottery now, and no mistake.
[UPDATE 2] And Learner Legal have dropped the HN125-8 (honestly badged Vixen). I am disappoint.
Jianshe JS125-6A or 6C from Learner Legal it is then.
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| Gosties wrote: | The excuse they use is that they are only an importer of bikes and are subject to the whims of the suppliers in China. |
I do believe them on that. It's a dynamic, growing market, and I expect Chinese manufacturers always want to be seen to be making the newest and best. Last year's model is old news. Let the aftermarket support it.
This is why I'd be very hesitant to drop money on any of WK's biggest bikes, by the way. The CFMOTO 650s already have an "update" in the pipeline.
| NJD wrote: | Also in that conversation was a 50/50 between pulling out of Europe all together or hoping that the extra factories or whatever kept their promise and manufactured bikes for them post Euro 4. |
It is going to be very interesting to see which, if any, 125s survive Euro 4. And not just Euro 4, but also anti-tamper, OBD (!), and ABS or linked brakes that requires front and rear discs, always-on headlights, and low evaporation fuel systems.
Even under the most laissez faire interpretation, all bikes registered in the UK right now should have the last two, no exceptions, and I understand that vented carbed bikes shouldn't be able to satisfy the evaporation requirements, yet here we are with the DVLA very resolutely looking the other way. It can't last though.
2017 will also see the end of both the YBR and CBF125.
Presumably there will still be some 125s available, but it'll be a far leaner field, fuel injected, possibly water cooled, electronics out the wazoo, more expensive, with more to go wrong.
Fun times ahead.
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| Gosties wrote: | Let's just put it this way let the poster require certain parts and see how he gets on. It's his money and his choice and ultimately things may work out or not.
I just would not go down that road now after a years experience of trying to obtain certain parts which I'm not going to go into in detail. Let's just say I have tried and call it quits. |
You're painting quite a negative picture of Lexmoto's parts support and one that's not really true. I standby the above comment I made yesterday in that you're not the first person I've heard saying that they cannot get parts for a discontinued bike but I fail to recall what model it what or how long it had not been made for, how many where actually sold etc.
Alongside the CMPO link below (or lexmoto's website that then goes onto CMPO) here's an ebay link. Page after page of parts. You're hammering a nail into the Lexmoto brand but failing to provide the oh so important part name that you've failed to find after a year that has rendered your bike worthless. Come on.. you're not craking code for the FBI here you either want to explain your comments or your just preaching hate and posting nonsense comments.
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I do want to adjust the comments I made above, as edited last night they where posted a little hasty. Long day, sun getting to me, little niggles with the bike so on and so forth.
The brake pads on ebay are here, what's annoying is that I cannot tell if they're the correct ones. The CMPO front brake pads are out of stock and will be for a few weeks but upon looking at how many models those one brake pads cover it seems there' quite a lot so is somewhat understandable, it is however annoying that an important consumable wont be in stock for "a few weeks," no I haven't tried a dealer in person. Chain and sprockets are just another observation of an important consumable out of stock, again alternative's on ebay available, and again no I haven't tried a dealer. I don't need these parts yet but it was a little annoying to see the one time I might actually need to order something important they're not available. Saying that the brake parts are on available in the UK through that one seller was also posted in haste, ignore.
Regarding the comment I made about selling the bike it's been on my list of "things to do" since I passed my A2 last year, so you can understand that having to endure a very, very slow tiddler for almost 1/2 of you're A2 license's life has been somewhat of an annoyance rather than getting rid and upgrading as soon as I'd past my test. I've never (thus far) had any issues with parts supply and while under warrenty every replacement part I've ever needed has been done (or so the shop says) without question (providing you keep the bike dealer serviced for the warrenty). I'd say it is unknown ground (to me) but if anything I'd like to think it effects future Lexmoto buyers rather than present Vixen/Arrow owners (providing parts support continues) because the new-er (re-branded) models are not all that well known vs bikes that have been around an age.
Also Euro 4. I say I can't see a way past Euro 4 for Lexmoto because they're being awfully quiet about how they plan to adjust their bikes to meet the standard and continue to be sold in the future. Also the conversation I mention with the dealer didn't exactly paint a positive picture, I'd say at the time the conversation was had it was all up in the air.
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Your commute. How many miles, what speed are the roads, any dual carriageway / NSL / motorway?
Out of the Lexmoto Arrow / Vixen I'd go with the Vixen based on reading that it achieves much higher speeds (despite the same engine, lord knows why) than the Arrow ever could. Out of Lexmoto / YBR I'd go with the YBR based on nothing but that's what I'd choose if I had my time again, that's nothing against Lexmoto it's just that all considered between positive and negative my main experiences with the Arrow have been negative.
The Arrow has a top speed of 55mph with stock gearing. Going up one or two gears improves top speed but increases the time it takes to get there so ultimately you're left with a slower bike down low that you have to either adjust to riding or rev a little at slow speeds to get a good pace going because there's no torque. Riding the Arrow provides a very, very slow pace of life and not really one that I enjoy. You have to understand that these bikes are 8-9hp (I think), just think about that in comparison to the figure your SV 650 produces, also take into consideration that horses are lost the longer you own the bike (I think.. that's true of any engine, right?).
Also regarding speed I'd say that for anything other than 30-40mph roads it's useless. The most annoying thing is that I've wanted to go places and just ride, explore etc for such a long time but haven't been able to because there's a chance that I could come across a route where 50-60 or above mph might be required and at that point I become a hazard, as such I've rendered the bike a worse horse and have accepted that my rides outside of commutes are limited until I can upgrade to a 500cc commuter or alike. Power is also annoying because I think I've managed a handful of overtakes in my ownership, the power just isn't there, couple of days ago on a dual 40mp carriageway with a slow truck of some form in Lane 1 up ahead was an annoying example of how I had to endure the view of his rear from a distance because I didn't have enough in the bike to go into Lane 2 without causing a hazard and get past it to then keep a good pace in front of it rather than eventually to get in front and slow it down in front of him. Also not being able to catch up and give the finger to cars that cut you up etc is annoying, you just don't have road presence.
Outside of speed, of which is my main issue with the Arrow, comes my second favourite niggle, reliability.
On the whole the main issue that you're bound to encounter at some point or another from new is the electronics, you'll encounter issues with the electrics regardless at some point in your ownership. From new you want to disable the sidestand kill switch, replace the spark plug and cap to an NGK one and that, hopefully, is most of your issues prevented on that front.
I've never been stranded at the roadside but I've had plenty of non niggle free, rough, uncomfortable rides. Yesterday for example the voodoo of the horn contentiously sounding when pressing the indicators continued and I disconnected it and carried on (on-going issue) and the other one was the clutch feeling loose or something not right, turns out the vibrations on the bike had caused the locknut to loosen so I gave it a tighter than needed twist to lengthen how long it is until it happens again, and it will as it has before. It's just loads of little small things that I've put up with since I purchased it that aren't exactly what you want as a new rider, there's enough to focus on without a bike that throws problems at you that you don't know how to solve so have to go back to the shop time and time again. At this point I've learn the common small niggles and how to remove them quickly, just be aware you're constantly fiddling with things so if you don't like being hands on or have limited knowledge be prepared to learn quickly or pay for them all to be removed when they occur.
Bike vibrates a fair bit. Can't make a comment on how much of that is through the pegs or bars but my right mirror has a habit of become useless beyond a set speed or somewhere in the rev range of which I just then shoulder check as and when I need.
On the plus side the bikes about as basic as they come. 4871 manual is generic and you're left filling in the gaps between the advice covering all models and what's in front of you but the more you read and longer you look at the bike the easier it all becomes. You really can't get an easier bike to work on. Parts are cheap as are services.
Build quality. Rust, mainly. Exhaust being the forefront of that. If you buy new ask the shop to replace the studs with ones that wont rust and apply ACF-50 to the downpipes the moment you get home. It's basically just a cosmetic annoyance since it's very cheap paint they use. Elsewhere I've no real issues with rust, small bits here and there on bits and bobs but the major parts like swingarm, suspension, forks etc all remain good, that's after two winters and all weather riding (common sense to conditions applied).
Again with the servicing. If you're confident in doing your own work then get the first two - three (during the bikes brake in period) done by the dealer to solve any small niggles under warrenty and then invest in a 4871 from there on out. I'd say keep a friendly to and fro'ing with your local Lexmoto dealer just to get on the good side should you find yourself back there time and time again.
Oh, gearbox. The Lexmoto Arrow, as my mechanic has informed me, isn't all that easy and pleasant to get along with, my example is apparently one of the better looked after and smooth ones but I still find it a major annoyance at times. The Lexmoto Venom apparently also has a crappy gearbox.
I don't know if there's anything else I can add, nothing comes to mind, ask away if needed.
But yeah, long and short I'd go YBR over the Arrow given my time again despite the fact I've never ridden or owned one. I'd say that since you're investing in a bike that's your second and not learning (eg; you've passed your tests) then invest in something that suits exactly what you need out of it and can own long term rather than worrying about owning something that's disposable after a couple of years.
Oh, value. Another reason I'd buy second hand is because they can be had for £500-£600 (or less) on the private market, but from what I gather that price range is the half decent non potato models. If you buy form new expect to only be able to sell it for a few hundred if ever you choose to do so, the bikes are cheap as chips from new and you never really make any money or sell them at the same price because why would you pay £900 for a year old one when you could have that OTR with brand new. Let someone else take the hit with rust and all the issues and buy one that's been owned a couple of years.
Mileage's are never really going to get high because of the limited factors in the ways they're able to be used, in my experience at least, I couldn't really give you a good figure on how long the engines do or don't last. I've never, yet, read a story of a Vixen / Arrow giving up on life.
Oh and the bikes about as similar to a CG 125 as possible without being a CG.
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I rode them as Pizza Bikes. They are crap....... really crap, to the point where you get pangs of jealousy seeing someone ride past on a Chinese 125. Frugal on fuel though but they need to be as the tank is the size of an ants bladder.
8 miles each way, why not a ped? Cheap, simple and easy.
I wouldn't discount lexmoto because 1 guy couldn't work the internet and find a universal speedo though. |
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| zico wrote: | What have I started?
My commute is 8 miles or so, mostly in traffic on city roads.
Given what I'm reading I can't see me putting £1000 into a Lexmoto. I'll hold on for a decent YBR or even an Innova 125. |
Hi
Don't be put off, I had an Arrow ( the cheapest bike they did at the time) and i had no problems using it to commute between Wolverhampton & Birmingham, and as I said, my newphew now has an Arrow having done his CBT before Christmas, again, I bought him that, based on my own experience.
If you look at my signature, you can see, I'm more than happy with chinese bikes, never come across any real problems. Also, as you can see, a bit of research, and you can generally find equivalent parts from other suppliers, and even buying almost direct from China isn't such a big deal, using Aliexpress or Tabao, using an agent, I tend to use Tabaoring as the agent, and they seem pretty good.
Cheers
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