do you agree with this or not? (road using argument)

[andyscooter]

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now as bikers we all filter but this caused a load of arguments on face book last night after my driving instructor posted it

she said she would do the same as its making progress

lots others said its selfish

if it was a motorway with a closure I think it is a bit selfish but as a normal merger road its what should be done
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[Rockhopper]

On all the roads around here where that happens there are signs that say "merge in turn".

[scorps]

Im a fan of alternate giving way just as a matter of courtesy. We have this issue on the A90 just north of Aberdeen where generally you have a horrendous tailback in the left lane and cars using the empty right hand lane to get by. if people just used both lanes and allowed each other out im pretty sure there would be less stress and nowhere near the time waiting in queues.

hasnt happened in the years Ive used that route but it is perfectly legal to drive on the right side and wait to be allowed through. no idea why people get so enraged by it. The driver on the right is either let past or deliberately blocked in.
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[andyscooter]

that's sort of what I was saying

on a road that goes from two lanes to one it should be like a zip effect

on a motorway it says lane closure in??? get in lane so that's the point people should be getting in lane and starting to merge
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[Andy Rider]

Using the full infrastructure of the road. If everyone use all the available road and did alternative giving way at the pinch point everyones journey time would be quicker. That's a fact apparently that I heard from a person that models these things for a living.

[B5234FT]

Two lanes of traffic using both lanes and merging at the lane closure, one for one, absolutely fine.

One arse doing 80mph down the side of an almost stationary queue, jamming on the brakes and forcing a BMW the size of a small planet into a non existant gap just before the cones, not fine.

Somewhere inbetween is the line.

Sadly the fix is educating everyone, not just the one guy who becomes the focus of everyones ire, as they caused the problem by merging left far too early.

[Pjay]

These are hardly never empty in the right lane in London so you hardy see it like the picture suggests.
With motorway/dual carriageway closures though, I will tend not to take the piss and carry on down the right lane a little faster than the left lane,with my indicator on, looking to dive into a gap opening up for me.

I rarely would get to the end though, but if I did, it wouldn't be my fault that they didn't let me in, so I wouldn't feel bad.

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[Rogerborg]

https://i.imgur.com/ryrUsfU.png

Both lanes should be full, then merge in turn.

Don't rage at lanes being coned off unnecessarily if you're not prepared to use them.
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[weasley]

The trouble is we have a Very British Problem of queuing, which is the foundation for many of the "WHY SHOULD BIKES BE ALLOWED TO FILTER??!" blusterings.

Here is an extreme, but real example. A few years ago I was driving to Blenheim Palace to attend the annual Blenheim Horse Trials. I was heading north on the A34, looking to exit onto the A44 towards Woodstock. At the A34/A44 interchange there was a queue in the left-hand lane for turning left at the roundabout (the way I wanted to go), so I joined it. However, on exiting the roundabout the left-hand lane remained queued for the next roundabout - I knew that I could legitimately use the right hand lane to go the same way (road markings permit this), so did. I then sailed along a completely empty right-hand lane of a dual carriageway (past Kidlington) for 4 miles, whilst the left-hand lane was largely stationary.

There were no AA or other signs indicating that event traffic should stay left and there is no other compulsion to stay left when both lanes legitimately serve the same destination. I can only surmise that people were heading to a venue they knew would be busy, saw a queue nearby and simply joined it. I estimate I saved at least an hour's queuing by using the other lane and rejoining the queue at the next polite opportunity (exiting a roundabout where there are two lanes in and one out).

And so we have the same mentality at lane closures and slip roads - this belief that if I have joined a queue then nobody must pass me, regardless of the validity or justification for the queue. You see a sign that says "800 yards" to the lane closure. That's 800 yards of lane that can still be used, shortening the overall queue length and increasing the capacity of the road. It only works though if people act federally and don't adopt some unwritten queueing protocol that insists that letting someone in is a sign of weakness or submission and is forbidden.
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[angryjonny]

There's a lot to be said for approaching a roundabout in the right hand lane, and then doing 270 degrees around the roundabout to achieve a left-turn, if left the left-lane is congested.

[Baffler186]

This really annoys me, I have that exact scenario on my commute. Two things I regularly see:

People in lane 2 stop dead in the road and indicate to get into the queue, when the 2-into-1 merge is 300 yards ahead. Well done, you've now caused two lanes of congestion instead of one.

People doing the right thing and trying to merge in turn, other people refuse to leave a gap, or in lots of cases sounding their horn and shouting "stop pushing in".

In NZ they actually have a road sign with a picture of a zip, that says merge in turn. How much more instruction do people need?
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If it doesn't have a sign saying 'Merge In Turn' then I let the person in. Unless that is they try to nudge in or are a flash git...
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[The Shaggy D.A.]

If you like to queue for the sake of queueing, knock yourself out. I'm going to use all the legal road available to me.
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[stinkwheel]

[Feasty]

There's a dual carriageway near me that currently has the RH lane closed and merge in turn signs. This section is between 2 roundabouts and sometimes the LH lane backs on to the previous roundabout because so many drivers refuse to use the right lane and then merge in nearer the roadworks.
It did make me laugh though - a woman colleague in my office was against the 'merge in turn' idea and so always refused to do that. Whereas a male colleague in the same office was all up for using the RH lane to merge (rightly so!) and the argument that followed was extremely entertaining for a good half hour!


In another example, a different dual carriageway I use has the LH lane closed off with signs starting at 800m before. Because of this so many drivers move into the RH lane way too early doing stupidly slow speeds, I end up undertaking half of them, otherwise they end up creating their own personal traffic jams... There should be a sign created for this - 'use left hand lane until it ends or speed up'.
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[kawashima]

If it wasn't a local plate, I'll make space and let him merge.
If it was a local plate, it depends.
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[thx1138]

yeah, but when we do it on a bike we are making continuing assessments and re-assessments of where to pull in, usually with a handful of options which continually change

I nearly always go down the outside on those sorts of road lane closures, but when I do move back in it's usually before the last warning sign and into one of several "natural" gaps, or occasionally a car driver might helpfully make one

99% of the time, a few cars will still overtake me at that point and be forcing their way in further ahead

[andyscooter]

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[andyscooter]

wont give names out but this is his latest one and the one he posted before

No, they just don't like to see others queue jump, making progress ahead of you when you've waited patiently.

If there are 1000 cars and all 1000 are in a single, uniform line... there are 1000 cars with a nice, easy to manage flow. If there are two lines with 500 each, that still adds up to 1000 and worse... there are now 500 cars wanting to get into the left-hand lane. The two lines might be 'shorter' in length but not in waiting time
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[stinkwheel]

[andyscooter]

not yet but I may do that later

just added a few cars in right lane and asked him if it was still queue jumping and as these people had also waited they should be able to go

he seems to of flounced though
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[swampy]

Used to be faced with this daily on my commute down this stretch of road. You'll note signs on the left side saying 'use both lanes' and 'merge in turn'... People still got the absolute hump during rush hour when the traffic is queued back to the Tangier Rd junction.
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Even been on a motorway when you're all queuing up coming towards a lane closure and pilocks are still flying down the outside and cutting in at the last minute?

All it takes is one person to hold them back and within a couple of minutes the traffic starts flowing again. It's the pilocks leaving it until the last minute, rather than filtering in early when they've had plenty of warning, who cause the jam.
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